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Old 01-27-2014, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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I don't see why this isn't a good idea. The poor would be better off getting money in their pocket instead of leeching off the welfare state. This idea is gaining traction. Some prominent conservatives are actually entertaining the idea.
eliminate all social programs but SS for those that have paid into it or give them their cash value and taxes , eliminate illegals and all other freebies from UBI. then I would need to take a look at it
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Old 01-27-2014, 10:27 AM
 
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In Our Hands : A Plan To Replace The Welfare State: Charles Murray: 9780844742236: Amazon.com: Books

I have read about it in that book.
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Old 01-27-2014, 10:31 AM
 
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I don't see why this isn't a good idea. The poor would be better off getting money in their pocket instead of leeching off the welfare state. This idea is gaining traction. Some prominent conservatives are actually entertaining the idea.
So do away with helping people who are down on their luck and truly need our help, and just give everyone a wad of free money, regardless of whether they need it or not?????
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Old 01-27-2014, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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Sounds like the Basic Living Stipend (BLS) in the Republic of Haven/People's Republic Of Haven as described in the Honor Harrington/Manticore Universe books by David Weber.
What do we do when the number of people receiving the BLS (or UBI) exceeds the number of people working and paying taxes?
What do we do when the people receiving the UBI (or BLS) DEMAND that the payment amounts increase?
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Old 01-27-2014, 10:32 AM
 
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Just another form of socialism.

No thanks.
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Old 01-27-2014, 10:36 AM
 
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Um.. I don't know what that is. I'm about to Google it. However, its sounds a lot like socialism......

Someone here want to explain it?
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Old 01-27-2014, 10:49 AM
 
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I posted 2 links to what it is. Its called the negative income tax and a libertarian came up with it.
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Old 01-27-2014, 10:50 AM
 
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Because basic income levels wouldn't meet inflation rates.

The same problem the lower end labor market meets now.

I say have a flat tax where all income, up to 50K is 100% tax free. No sales tax on unprepared foods, anywhere. End all taxation on basic utilities. Gas, water, electric, and phones.
None of what you're saying makes sense.

So a flat tax is your solution in ending poverty and unemployment?

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Old 01-27-2014, 10:53 AM
 
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So do away with helping people who are down on their luck and truly need our help, and just give everyone a wad of free money, regardless of whether they need it or not?????
You need money to survive. What's going to happen when all low end jobs become automated. There will be tons of people out of work. The only way to mitigate any calamity to massive unemployment is basic income.
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Old 01-27-2014, 10:54 AM
 
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I posted 2 links to what it is. Its called the negative income tax and a libertarian came up with it.
You mean someone who co-opted the libertarian label came up with it.
Libertarians equate taxation with theft, this plan is just more of the same.
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