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You have no idea how meaningless or not someone's marriage is. You're not privy to anyone's emotions, feelings nor their heartbreak or lack thereof.
I was not characterizing anyone's marriage, or feelings, I was referring to the marriage vow, and how some in our society have turned the vow into a meaningless gesture.
You took every point I was making and turned it on it's head, just so you could disagree with me.
Ah, a liberal who is socially conservative. Charming. Enforce marriages caused a **** ton of social problems for centuries. Why do you think a more enlightened society did away with it?
Enforcing any contract can cause problems, but not as many as having a society based on worthless contracts. I'm not sure if that's a "conservative" view or not, but if it is, make the most of it.
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I should have known better than to post something actually real about this situation. It was painful for me but I wanted to establish my cred on this issue. But it's red meat to the posters here. Mockery, disdain and criticism abound for any woman who dares to speak of real issues instead of fairy-tale scenarios that you make up in order to keep us powerless.
As a divorced dad I could wave my own bloody shirt and expect to elicit sympathy, but I prefer to discuss principles rather than appealing to personal history that is always going to be seen in the most self-serving possible light.
Ah, a liberal who is socially conservative. Charming. Enforce marriages caused a **** ton of social problems for centuries. Why do you think a more enlightened society did away with it?
I should have known better than to post something actually real about this situation. It was painful for me but I wanted to establish my cred on this issue. But it's red meat to the posters here. Mockery, disdain and criticism abound for any woman who dares to speak of real issues instead of fairy-tale scenarios that you make up in order to keep us powerless.
Enjoy.
I had sympathy for you right up until you turned right around and slathered venom with a broad brush using the same type of tactic you just complained gets used on yourself.
Let's face it, the extremists on this forum from both sides utterly lack in civility and decorum. They just think they are justified and don't see it when they do it.
I had sympathy for you right up until you turned right around and slathered venom with a broad brush using the same type of tactic you just complained gets used on yourself.
Let's face it, the extremists on this forum from both sides utterly lack in civility and decorum. They just think they are justified and don't see it when they do it.
There's no mockery, disdain and criticism of women on this forum?
It is what it is. You can try to play the "everybody does it" card, but it ain't true here on CD.
Enforcing any contract can cause problems, but not as many as having a society based on worthless contracts. I'm not sure if that's a "conservative" view or not, but if it is, make the most of it.
As a divorced dad I could wave my own bloody shirt and expect to elicit sympathy, but I prefer to discuss principles rather than appealing to personal history that is always going to be seen in the most self-serving possible light.
You're right, I should have just made up some scenario and pretended it was real to make the point about why we shouldn't shackle people to abusers.
All the things conservatives bleat about over and over again.
Wow, just WOW.
From the beginning of time, marriage and sacred vows, has been about religion.
The Constitution(We The People) did not give the federal government the power to even discuss living together, or religious marriage.
Government has taken it upon themselves to control society, by picking the winners & losers, to gain support and power.
The original bill of rights, the government had no power over the people, what so ever.
The bill of rights said back off, you are not going there. Yet here they are all over it.
Thanks for that post. I've been wondering how this subject could have been viewed as political, and I think you just hit on the reason why. This seems to actually be an issue of ideology. Too many liberal progressives simply do not believe in holding anyone accountable for their own personal responsibility.
Standing there before god, family and friends, or even the city mayor, and making that marriage vow, is a public commitment that should not be so easily cast aside. But this is the place where some people have us heading towards.
By changing the definition and demeaning the importance of marriage to society, into nothing more then tax breaks, hospital visitation rights, and live-in partners, then breaking your marriage vows is a meaningless and effortless task.
I don't know if law can help with people and the issue of establishing trust, but it looks like Kansas is going to give it a try.
There are more types of relationships that require a principled commitment than that of marriage one to another. However a marriage seems to be a basic foundation, where people need to trust in each other's promises and in that aspect go from there.
Also, if the commitment to terminate does go before a judge and the reason for termination is that of he/she beat the crap out me. What might happen next is the person responsible would be arrested for assault. Enough of those get dragged into a court room with jail time, perhaps people will learn to keep their hands to themselves.
Everything built begins with a foundation. If the foundation is a strong one, then that which is built will sustain through the ages for generations to come. Question is, what type of society do we expect to build?
You have no idea how meaningless or not someone's marriage is. You're not privy to anyone's emotions, feelings nor their heartbreak or lack thereof.
As to ideology, my ultra conservative military MIL was divorced early on and remarried. You couldn't find a more patriotic Republican Christian Conservative flag waving jingoisting hater of bleeding heart Liberals if you tried.
Ideology has nothing to do with it. Human nature is what it is. People living like they should be divorced but can't, as people would have been before no fault divorce, is just living a lie.
There's nothing virtuous about lying.
Then why try to build a relationship based on one? And I'm not just talking about marriage either.
How easy is it for your military buddy to get out of his commitment to his service to this country? Not very easy is it and your buddy must show just cause for doing so? If it was easy, how many people would stay in, when the going got too tough for them and their expectations of that service changed into a reality they didn't expect?
When our leaders travel abroad and they shake hands and make deals with leaders of other countries, what does it look like to others if they renege on their deal and they do so without consequences. What happens to the trust in our leaders?
Like I said (this is military taught, basic training), if a person can not honor their commitments at home, how can we then expect them to honor their commitments elsewhere?
Then why try to build a relationship based on one? And I'm not just talking about marriage either.
How easy is it for your military buddy to get out of his commitment to his service to this country? Not very easy is it and your buddy must show just cause for doing so? If it was easy, how many people would stay in, when the going got too tough for them and their expectations of that service changed into a reality they didn't expect?
When our leaders travel abroad and they shake hands and make deals with leaders of other countries, what does it look like to others if they renege on their deal and they do so without consequences. What happens to the trust in our leaders?
Like I said (this is military taught, basic training), if a person can not honor their commitments at home, how can we then expect them to honor their commitments elsewhere?
Why would you want to carry on being married to someone who makes you sick? Who is an abuser? Who is apathetic? Who you don't love anymore?
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Or are you purposely being obtuse just so you can create arguments?
