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Old 02-13-2014, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Karzai released 65 Taliban/Al Qaeda terrorists from prison (safe to assume they will resume their attacks on US troops) against US objections. Apparently the US is "unhappy" with Karzai's decision. But not unhappy enough to call for a full withdrawal.

Last October Karzai refused to sign security agreements with the US to keep US soldiers in Afghan beyond 2014 for security purposes. Karzai was told that the peace agreements had to be signed by the end of 2013 so the US could put in place plans for the remaining security US troops. Karzai said he was going to wait until April for the elections. In November Karzai started to have secret meetings (and continued to do so) with the Taliban "claiming" that he wanted to work out peace terms between the Taliban and the US.

Upon the release of the 65 terrorists, Karzai said that the US should not interfere with the sovereignty of Afghanistan - in others words - mind you own business. Seems Karzai is securing his place with the Taliban and if a Taliban leader runs for President and wins - the US will have no say in the matter - after all it would be a democratic election - the same kind of democratic election that got Morsi president, which this administration supported. Would a man affiliated with the Taliban - the enemy of America - be enough reason for the US to immediately withdraw with "dignity" and not admit to failure?

In 2009 Afghanistan passed a law diminishing women's rights. Recently another law was passed to further diminish women's rights where family members cannot testify against a family member, which pretty much pertains to women who are victims of domestic violence. This law also includes doctors who treated women who were victims of domestic violence. Going right back to where it was before the US invaded Afghanistan.

$88 billion dollars in aid, over $1Trillon for a war, thousands dead, thousands disabled, and Karzai gives the US the finger and it seems that the US is sitting on it quite comfortably.

What will it take for Obama to order an immediate withdrawal?? There is no need or reason to take the "wait and see what happens" approach. The message is clear.
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:11 PM
 
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Ho hum...another nation plays us for a sucker.

What else is new?
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:14 PM
 
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I think you've made an excellent post. We need to stop giving this guy support. Yes elections are occurring in 2 months, I wonder how he will do if we leave? What is he thinking?
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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A little bit complicated. Since when does Karzai have the power to make us indifferent to the PEOPLE who are stuck with him. The sooner he is gone, the better off the Afghan people will be. We sort of imposed him on them. I don't think he ever was a good choice. And now it is becoming even more clear. Frankly, I think we need other allies in Afghanistan. Whoever is determined to maintain the independence of the country.
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Why in Hell are we there anyway? The only reason I can figure out is to keep taxpayer and borrowed money flowing to the Military contractors that dominate our political system.
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:17 PM
 
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Ho hum...another nation plays us for a sucker.

What else is new?
Nope. The US chooses to be played as a sucker. How could the US not see this coming the last couple of years? Oh, wait - they did. They just couldn't admit it and wanted to believe that a "victory" was still possible.
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Nope. The US chooses to be played as a sucker. How could the US not see this coming the last couple of years? Oh, wait - they did. They just couldn't admit it and wanted to believe that a "victory" was still possible.
The initial missile strikes made sense. But the war has gotten to make less and less sense every year that goes by. I would have carpet bombed Kandahar in September 2011. Mullah Omar has been allowed way to many years with a sanctuary.
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:20 PM
 
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A little bit complicated. Since when does Karzai have the power to make us indifferent to the PEOPLE who are stuck with him. The sooner he is gone, the better off the Afghan people will be. We sort of imposed him on them. I don't think he ever was a good choice. And now it is becoming even more clear. Frankly, I think we need other allies in Afghanistan. Whoever is determined to maintain the independence of the country.
They voted for him.
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Russians voted for Soviet leaders for 70 years. So what?
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:23 PM
 
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We did the very same thing at Gitmo. Maybe they were released for the same reason we released them?
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