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View Poll Results: Is PC = end free speech and free religious expression??
Yes, PC is designed to restrict and intimidate free speech and free religion. 31 83.78%
No, PC is designed to help minorities?? 2 5.41%
I don't know. 4 10.81%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-03-2007, 11:57 AM
 
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Do you agree that PC was created to end free speech and freedom of religious expression, to intimidate and restrict what people can say, think, or do?

To those who do not know, the term "political correctness" is derived from Marxist-Leninist vocabulary, and was used to describe the appropriate "party line", commonly referred to as the "correct line".

Those people who opposed (or were seen as opposing) the "correct line" were often punished, sentenced to prison or forced labor. A similar term has been used in communist countries, such as China.

Is PC designed to restrict free speech and intimidate anyone who disagree with it???
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Boise
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Political correctness is ruining this country. The PC thugs, or maybe now its "feel-good police" have gotten out of control.
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:07 PM
 
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The worst part of "political correctness" is that it serves as a shield for racist/bigoted morons by blanketing all offensive speech under the classification of "politically incorrect." As a result, people who go beyond being "politically incorrect" into the realm of just plain being as sholes are given an excuse, aka David Duke might say, "What, am I supposed to be all politically correct now, look it's the PC thought police coming to take away my right to free speech just because I was politically incorrect," when really the problem with David Duke, Ann Coulter and others isn't that they're "politically incorrect" but that they're idiots who hate large population subsets and put their hatred into writing/speech.
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Bike to Surf!
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Thumbs down The True Origin of the Term "Politically Correct"

Used to be, we'd tell non-PC people: "You're being a d*ck."

But that hurt too many d*cks feelings.

So now we say: "You're not being Politically Correct"

IMO, people should stop complaining about being told not to act like d*cks. It's just plain common sense.

Last edited by sponger42; 12-03-2007 at 12:12 PM.. Reason: "told" not "asked"
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:20 PM
 
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I don't like the PC crap.

Its like somehow we are supposed to create this great world where everyone is nice and says nice things. REALITY CHECK. We don't live in f%*king FANTASY LAND. Get a life and get over it. People say mean sh8t. Life goes on. Deal with it.
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The worst part of "political correctness" is that it serves as a shield for racist/bigoted morons by blanketing all offensive speech under the classification of "politically incorrect." As a result, people who go beyond being "politically incorrect" into the realm of just plain being as sholes are given an excuse, aka David Duke might say, "What, am I supposed to be all politically correct now, look it's the PC thought police coming to take away my right to free speech just because I was politically incorrect," when really the problem with David Duke, Ann Coulter and others isn't that they're "politically incorrect" but that they're idiots who hate large population subsets and put their hatred into writing/speech.
This is true. Sure the PC thing can get ridiculous...but it is worse when you read posters saying "How come I can;t say the n**** word, man? What is with all this PC crap?" Or something similar.

Like instead of being ignorant trash they are anti-PC freedom fighters.
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:27 PM
 
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I can't indicate an answer in the manner in which the question is framed. Freedom of religion has nothing to do with putting your religion down someone else's throat, making the government pay to advance your religion or criticizing another religion.

Free expresion has always had its limitations. Go tell your ex's new significant other how well or how badly your ex could make love.
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:29 PM
 
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For those who don't know, the American usage of the term 'politically correct' has nothing to do with Marx or Lenin, or with Chairman Mao, who also used the term. Its modern US usage arose in arcane black and feminist writings of the late 60's in judging as incomplete the politics of those who did not include within them a recognition of the need to advance the rights of women and minorities. But the term evolved as rights did. By the time particularly the feminist movement had gotten going in earnest, the term was already a pejorative, standing for prissy or superficial. In the mid and late 1980's and then on into the 1990's, the term was simply highjacked by right-wingers and remade into yet another axe with which to bash such dangerous liberal ideas as social civility and consideration, rejecting as they do, the century-old notion that words affect the speaker as well as the listener. Today, those who complain over PC are most often simply defending a right to be rude and abusive of others. In other words, they just don't like the Terms of Service...
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:32 PM
 
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Do you agree that PC was created to end free speech and freedom of religious expression, to intimidate and restrict what people can say, think, or do?

To those who do not know, the term "political correctness" is derived from Marxist-Leninist vocabulary, and was used to describe the appropriate "party line", commonly referred to as the "correct line".

Those people who opposed (or were seen as opposing) the "correct line" were often punished, sentenced to prison or forced labor. A similar term has been used in communist countries, such as China.

Is PC designed to restrict free speech and intimidate anyone who disagree with it???
N-G, I think that when you quote from site like Wikpedia you should use quotations to indicate it is something someone has said or to cite the source for people to see the complete definition in order for people to make a more accurate assessment of the term in question.

From Wikpedia:

Political correctness (adjectivally politically correct, both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term used to describe language, ideas, policies, or behaviour seen as seeking to minimize offence to racial, cultural, or other identity groups. Conversely, the term politically incorrect is used to refer to language or ideas that may cause offense or that are unconstrained by orthodoxy.

The term itself and its usage are hotly contested. The term "political correctness" is used almost exclusively in a pejorative sense.[1][2]

Some commentators have argued that the term "political correctness" is a straw man invented by conservative ideologues in the 90s to discredit progressive social change, especially with respect to issues of race and gender.[1][3]Ruth Perry traces the term back to Mao's little red book, According to Perry, the term was later adopted by the radical left in the 1960s. Later in the 90s it was used by the political right in the United States to discredit the political left because of its association with radical politics and communist censorship.[2]

The term can also be used to describe any form of political orthodoxy whether the orthodoxy is from the left or the right.


The history of the term PC:

The often quoted earliest cited usage of the term (in the form "not politically correct") comes from the U.S. Supreme Court decision Chisholm v. Georgia (1793), where it clearly means that the statement it refers to is not literally correct, owing to the political status of the United States as it was understood at that time.[4]

The term "political correctness" is derived from Marxist-Leninist vocabulary, and was used to describe the appropriate "party line" [5], commonly referred to as the "correct line" [6]Those people who opposed (or were seen as opposing) the "correct line" were often punished.[7]. A similar term has been used in communist countries, such as China.[2]

It was then adopted in several related meanings by some in the U.S. political Left. One example cited by Ruth Perry [2] is in 1970, in Toni Cade Bambara's essay The Black Woman where she writes, "a man cannot be politically correct and a chauvinist too". This example illustrates the later usage of the term to focus on gender and identity issues rather than on political orthodoxy in general.

Within a few years, however, the term "political correctness" had been re-appropriated within the U.S. political left as a satirical form of criticism of ideas seen as too doctrinaire and rigid. According to Debra Shultz, "Throughout the 1970s and 1980s, the New Left, feminists, and progressives...used their term 'politically correct' ironically, as a guard against their own orthodoxy in social change efforts."[8][1][2] It was in this sense that the popular usage of the phrase in English derived.[2] and was employed by such narrators as Bobby London in his underground comic Merton of the Movement. The alternative term "ideologically sound" followed a similar trajectory to this point, appearing in satirical works such as Bart Dickon comic strips.

In an example typical of use within the left, Ellen Willis records that "in the early '80s, when feminists used the term 'political correctness' it was used to refer sarcastically to the anti-pornography movement's efforts to define a 'feminist sexuality'".[9]

In the 1990s, the term became part of a conservative challenge to curriculum and teaching methods on college campuses in the United States (D'Souza 1991; Berman 1992; Schultz 1993; Messer Davidow 1993, 1994; Scatamburlo 1998). In a commencement address at the University of Michigan in 1991, U.S. President George H. W. Bush spoke out against a "movement" who would "declare certain topics off-limits, certain expressions off-limits, even certain gestures off-limits."
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:34 PM
 
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For those who don't know, the American usage of the term 'politically correct' has nothing to do with Marx or Lenin, or with Chairman Mao, who also used the term. Its modern US usage arose in arcane black and feminist writings of the late 60's in judging as incomplete the politics of those who did not include within them a recognition of the need to advance the rights of women and minorities. But the term evolved as rights did. By the time particularly the feminist movement had gotten going in earnest, the term was already a pejorative, standing for prissy or superficial. In the mid and late 1980's and then on into the 1990's, the term was simply highjacked by right-wingers and remade into yet another axe with which to bash such dangerous liberal ideas as social civility and consideration, rejecting as they do, the century-old notion that words affect the speaker as well as the listener. Today, those who complain over PC are most often simply defending a right to be rude and abusive of others. In other words, they just don't like the Terms of Service...

I wouldn't call it a right wing axe when it is the left that keeps dredging up one word slip ups and turning it into a top story. Imus said nappy? And ho's? OMG, it is so obvious that he absolutely hates all black women and wants them to die! Meanwhile he uses the same type of cheapshots all day everyday for years and nobody had a problem with it until it hit the perfect target for the PC police to turn on their sirens and go nuts. It is also the left that seeks to legislate speech based on what is deemed hateful. Forget about the constitution, its no longer important.
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