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Old 03-11-2014, 10:48 AM
 
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There are no true freeloaders in this country. Yes, poor people end up receiving more than they contribute, but they pay a hefty portion of their income through combinations of taxes. Anyone who spends money is contributing. Even drug dealers pay taxes (sales taxes, fuel taxes) when they spend money. Drill it through your head.

Once again, you have ignored my question about why progressive income tax exists. You either have no idea or you refuse to acknowledge reality.
Did you ever think about the rhetoric you spew

Obama says "tax the rich" almost never say "tax only the rich." Or "let's increase taxes on the rich and lower the taxes on everyone else." The real goal of this strategy is to raise everybody's taxes.
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:48 AM
 
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Calm down, they aren't voting for him again.. he won time to move on. Perhaps it would be a more useful exercise to ask why The R's in the House are not doing their job, or making a mockery of our Constitution.
The Republicans are making a mockery of the US Constitution????? How?

BTW, does Obama get a pass on this "mockery of our Constitution?"
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:50 AM
 
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Did you ever think about the rhetoric you spew

Obama says "tax the rich" almost never say "tax only the rich." Or "let's increase taxes on the rich and lower the taxes on everyone else." The real goal of this strategy is to raise everybody's taxes.
ObamaCare is a tax increase, his deficit spending is tax increase, Obama is raising taxes like no one ever has.
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:50 AM
 
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Did you ever think about the rhetoric you spew
Do you ever have a legit argument against it? Keep trying.

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Obama says "tax the rich" almost never say "tax only the rich." Or "let's increase taxes on the rich and lower the taxes on everyone else." The real goal of this strategy is to raise everybody's taxes.
The goal of the last 30 years has always been to raise taxes on the lower and middle class while cutting taxes on the 1%. I don't need you to believe me:

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Old 03-11-2014, 10:54 AM
 
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The real function of the "tax the rich" mantra, then, is not to tax the rich and create jobs, but to break the resistance working voters have against tax increases. By enabling the federal government to appear to "tax the rich," voters are fooled into thinking that Democrats will tax only the rich, whereas in reality they are raising taxes on everyone, particularly those who accept the "tax the rich" rhetoric.

Again, trying to clarify this point to an Obama supporter is akin to trying to explain things to the paranoid schizophrenic patient. They will never see the light.
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:54 AM
 
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There are no true freeloaders in this country.
Indeed, there are. The cost of running this country is approximately $17,000 per person per year. How many households are pulling their own weight and paying that full bill?

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I don't use any of the means-tested social welfare programs on which the U.S. spends over $1 trillion per year. Does that mean I don't have to pay for them? No, it does not.

Pay up, freemkt. You're lucky that you're single and childless. Your share of the expenses as a single childless individual is only around $17,000 annually.

Government Spending Chart: United States 2004-2019 - Federal State Local Data

Now let me hazard a guess that you're NOT paying $17,000 per year in federal income tax.
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:56 AM
 
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ObamaCare is a tax increase, his deficit spending is tax increase, Obama is raising taxes like no one ever has.
Obama hasn't raised taxes... he let the Bush tax cuts expire.

Oh, but beloved Reagan raised taxes eleven times.



Deficit spending? How much more can you be wrong about?





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Old 03-11-2014, 10:58 AM
 
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Indeed, there are. The cost of running this country is approximately $17,000 per person per year. How many households are pulling their own weight and paying that full bill?

From another thread...
That is an disingenious argument.

If person X contributes $5,000 in taxes and receives $6,000 in benefits, he still paid $5,000 in taxes. His net result of the redistribution is negative. Either way, the government received $5,000 worth of taxes from person X.

Your argument is pretty much hogwash for continuing to perpetrate that person X didn't contribute anything. Taxes in general are a giant redistribution of social resources. If you don't like it, write your congressman.
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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OFA sure is hiring a lot of people named Eric these days.
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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A consumption tax, or even a flat income tax, makes so much sense and would hit the rich harder but it would be DOA upon arrival on Harry Reid's desk. It would eliminate the power they have to bestow favors upon those willing to pay lots and lots of money for those favors.
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