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Old 03-10-2014, 11:50 AM
 
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Clinton also let the banks go back to pre Great Depression speculating.
Way better than that. Yes, that was part of the setup to offshore and how the govt made a bundle doing it.
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Old 03-10-2014, 11:52 AM
 
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Yep. Rubin and Summers talked him into doing so.
Do you really believe Clinton didn't know how the govt makes its money? He certainly had help so did Bush, both of them.
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Old 03-10-2014, 11:56 AM
 
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Quick questions:

I looked at your website and there is only a 3% difference in regards to a comparison of the labor participation rates of 2004 and 2014.

Do you think this is a significant change?

I personally feel that the chart posted is pretty misleading. It stated the labor participation rate was 66% in Feb of 2004 and 63% in Feb of 2014. That really isn't that much of a drop. Also if you compared GW Bush's years to Clinton's second term, the graph is practically the same, a decrease. So evidently the rate of participation has been decreasing since 2000 when it was over 67% (went to 65% under Bush, but then back up).
That is a very significant change. You need to look at the historical trends and see where it has been. Driving UE numbers downward (via soft numbers) can lower UER and LFPR, (by reducing work force).

This shows 1998 to beginning of 2012 trend.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article33590.html

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Old 03-10-2014, 01:25 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Well, wait a minute ... you just said I was right on two points. So it isn't an "all time" high. It is still too high, and that figure from four years ago (if correct) was still under this administration.

Layoffs began to happen as soon as the result of the November 2008 election was known. This is because people (and this is factual) knew what was coming, because Barack Obama made it clear in his campaign what he intended to do. People aren't stupid. They began to downsize immediately. They took Obama at his word. Bottom line: that 17% figure cannot be blamed on Bush!
No, layoffs did NOT begin "to happen as soon as the result of the November 2008 election was known".
There you go just making stuff up again.

The monthly jobs number report went negative in MARCH of 2008 (and thereafter stayed that way throughout the entire year) - and had only ONCE managed to crack the +100,000 mark in the entire 2nd half of 2007 (and you folks HARP on ANY month that Obama gets a "lower than +100,000 jobs report" as "evidence that the economy is 'not recovering'" - Bush had THAT situation (lower than +100,000 jobs report") for a FULL YEAR AND A HALF before Obama was even sworn in.
Obama wasn't the Democratic nominee until JUNE of 2008.
The upshot is that layoffs began almost a full year (10 months) before Obama was ever sworn in - and "weak" jobs reports (ie "less than +100,000) had begun a full 18 MONTHS before Obama was sworn in - at a time when Obama had barely declared his candidacy (and was considered a "long shot to win" - at that time.
The Recession began under Bush - BEFORE Obama won the election, and in fact the slowdown began long before Obama was even the frontrunner in the Democratic race - let alone the frontrunner in the Presidential race.
Try and get your facts straight (especially when they are so easily checked) - failure to do so really undermines your "nononsenseguy" handle.


United States Non Farm Payrolls Rise More Than Forecast in February

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Old 03-10-2014, 01:42 PM
 
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Wow, so after an ugly winter of lower hiring, seasonal upticks in hiring are happening just like every year? Wow, that is newsworthy...NOT.
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Old 03-10-2014, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Obummer continues to wipe the entitlement folks from the map. Is he including the real unemployed or the real suffering in any statistic? The lost population...
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Old 03-10-2014, 05:58 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Do you really believe Clinton didn't know how the govt makes its money?
He said he was wrong to take Rubin's and Summers' advice.
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Former President Bill Clinton said his Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers were wrong in the advice they gave him about regulating derivatives when he was in office.

“I think they were wrong and I think I was wrong to take” their advice, Clinton said on ABC’s “This Week” program.

Their argument was that derivatives didn’t need transparency because they were “expensive and sophisticated and only a handful of people will buy them and they don’t need any extra protection,” Clinton said. “The flaw in that argument was that first of all, sometimes people with a lot of money make stupid decisions and make it without transparency.”

“Even if less than 1 percent of the total investment community is involved in derivative exchanges, so much money was involved that if they went bad, they could affect 100 percent of the investments,” Clinton said.
Clinton Says Rubin, Summers Gave `Wrong' Derivatives Advice - Bloomberg
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