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Old 04-15-2014, 07:46 PM
 
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Liberal or Conservative, I cannot stand to hold up a D sign

This was the party that Andrew Jackson wore when he marched the Cherokee nation off their lands

The party that the South used to stop freed blacks from voting for almost 100 years

The party that gave birth to the klan

The party that caused the entire mess of using politics to make the minorities depend on THEIR welfare benefits instead of seeking education and job opportunities

And if that's not enough

Last but not least, the party that forced mandated healthcare fines down the throats of the middle class to wipe out whatever is left of small businesses

It is a very difficult party history to idolize and I can't hold the D sign with a smile. I can have liberal views on issues, but the name Democrat has been scarred.

Would you agree?

 
Old 04-15-2014, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So you don't like the history of the Democrat Party, that is fine, you are free to support any party you choose. [MOD CUT/off topic] Seeing you say you have liberal views, I am curious which party you do support.

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Old 04-15-2014, 07:53 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Last but not least, the party that forced mandated healthcare fines down the throats of the middle class to wipe out whatever is left of small businesses
Some small businesses still remain, but it's getting harder and harder to start or run one, with the increasing restrictions and regulations piled on by government, and the tons of paperwork they must do.

You can't just hang out a shingle and start manufacturing battery chargers or whatever, any more. You have to hire at least full-time extra employees just to take care of all the govt regs and paperwork, for many months. And it's not a bad idea to keep a lawyer who knows industrial law and cases on retainer, just in case.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 07:59 PM
 
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Democratic view of Democratic Party:
We are all in this together

Democratic view of Republican Party:
You are on your own helpless

Republican view of the Democratic Party:
What we really believe is that you are incapable of thinking for yourself so we will remove all choices and regulate your life so there is only one choice and I promise you will like it please let us decide for you...and vote for us we will do anything. We will dumb down everything to the lowest common denominator and pretend it is the one and only way anything can ever be done or else rich greedy people will get richer. But you are not wealthy you were made to be poor so we will protect you, but please stay poor or else we will lose you.

Republican view of Republican Party: We believe you should be free to choose any life you wish to live and be held accountable for your mistakes...it is up to you to make the right choices and we are rooting for you to succeed and wish you luck....but your choice belongs to you and not us. Your potential rewards are boundless, so let's get started.

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Old 04-15-2014, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Originally Posted by EricS39 View Post
Liberal or Conservative, I cannot stand to hold up a D sign

This was the party that Andrew Jackson wore when he marched the Cherokee nation off their lands

The party that the South used to stop freed blacks from voting for almost 100 years

The party that gave birth to the klan

The party that caused the entire mess of using politics to make the minorities depend on THEIR welfare benefits instead of seeking education and job opportunities

And if that's not enough

Last but not least, the party that forced mandated healthcare fines down the throats of the middle class to wipe out whatever is left of small businesses

It is a very difficult party history to idolize and I can't hold the D sign with a smile. I can have liberal views on issues, but the name Democrat has been scarred.

Would you agree?
You left out how they disarmed armed blacks in the South after the war, leaving the helpless to the Klan.

You left out how the pass moronic laws that limit the right to self defense and the Right To Keep And Bear Arms, meaning while allowing violent criminals to get out of prison early.

You left out how they Welcome in Millions of Illegals some who are violent criminals, preventing with their Neo Con brothers in the GOP from securing the borders and deporting the millions of crimes we have here...All in the wrapped idea of paying their votes with citizenship and welfare check..

You left out how they prevent us for drilling in America and creating millions of Jobs, billions in taxes, and trillions in wealth..

You left out how then took us from space and used funds for the exploration and conquest of space to wage a war on poverty that failed to end poverty, but succeeded in destroying the black family and creating millions of entitlement voters..

You left out how the helped destroy America`s education system, and to help their thug friends in the Teacher Union and NEA keep kids in failed schools, block any real reform.

You left out how they cut retirement benefits to protect funds for illegal immigrates.

You left out how the refuse to protect voters and the value of their vote, that highest of value a value so high it has been paid in the blood and with the life of those who gave their lives.

Image you have died, and you are standing there at judgment day and just imagine that you are not facing God and Saint Peter and his host of angels, but real people..Real people who gave their lives so you can have your life of relative ease and relative prosperity and relative safety millions of them. Standing there in the clouds most of them men but by no means all of them, so of the recognizable but by no means most of them..Their will be men in waistcoats and a few in tri-corner hats and a few famous reverends and politicians and writers but mostly it will be soldiers...Millions of them all wearing different uniforms of different ages some of them old men but most, most by far young people who had to give their only life they ever had to give which was shot, or cut, or blown out of them on some field some place, dying for some piece of colored cloth on some field a long long way from home.

That is your jury.

Now here is your case.

You`ll to have to explain a few things to these people. Are you ready?

You`ll to have to explain a world in which political conventions have allocated areas called "free speech zones" when they fought and died to make the whole realm a free speech zone.

You`ll to have to explain a world were nuns and other Catholics have to pay for contraception in violation of their most deeply held religious principals, so that 20 something , six figure female attorneys or seven or eight figure movie and TV stars do have to pay at all.

You`ll to have to explain why in certain cities in certain counties in certain states will not allow you in any way practical way to defend you our life or that of your love ones from assault, rape, or murder.

You`ll to have to explain why virtually every corner of every house in the land has at least a microphone if not at least seven TV lens, and that these are being used to record your , picture, and that you brought these surveillance device into your house all by your self.


You`ll to have to explain why the government and business are reading your most private paper,thoughts and desires, billions of them everyday, and you are full aware of this fact because you read about in the newspaper, and online all the time.

You`ll to have to explain why the cruel and unusual punishment that every single one of us knows, every single day, in every single maximum security prison in America means that the time that you serve is the least of your worries.

You`ll to have to explain that those rights not specifically delegated to the people by the Constitution reserved to the States or the Federal Government, and not the other way around the way it should be.

You`ll to have to explain to people who fought and died over a 1 cent tax on tea imposed with out their consent, about how now you are force to part with about half of what you make or more, some to be give who don't work at all, some who are not in this nation legally, some to the friends and political cronies of those doing the taking, and most of it going to the machine that takes in the first place.

You`ll to have to explain to those who watch their entire family stave to death to settle this country and make it the bread basket of the world, why we destroy the agriculture of entire states to benefit something like a fish that is indistinguishable from a sardine.

And to explain to those who suffered and died so Americans could be judge not by the color of the skin on the content of their character, That you live in a world were justice is routinely dispensed or withheld by that same exact poisonous determination.

Explain that to the black fight pilots, and scientist and students at Tuskegee and its founder and explain
hip hop culture, twerking, 4 generations of mental slavery through entitlement and cult of victimization.

And then realize I am just scratching the surface, simply preparing a summary of the actually case against you.

That you error, excuses and failures, will take weeks at this rate or months before we can really cover why you allowed those people to give their lives so you can live in a land were it is illegal to throw a football on the beach, or where some man in a suit can tell you how large your soda can you can have, and most benin of choice paper or plastic, not a choice any more...Because you voted for other people to have the power to make the choice for you.

That it right there isnt, it is not you fought like those young men and lost, you did not fight at all. In fact most of the time they asked for the power and you just simply gave it to them.

You know people like me call ourselves Conservative, but what so called liberal could look at this horrendous loss of freedom and still wear that honorable name with a straight fact see that something else which is handed over his and are identity as a freedom-loving people who wants were simply divided by different opinions on how to keep it .


We blindly thought that this document




Which that invisible army out there gave their lives for would protect us

we utterly and completely and ruinously chose to forget that we have to it as well so good luck at your up coming heavenly trial, I am not looking forward to mine...But in the many years I have till my court day I will do everything I can to make their sacrifices worth it..
 
Old 04-15-2014, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Originally Posted by EricS39 View Post
Liberal or Conservative, I cannot stand to hold up a D sign

This was the party that Andrew Jackson wore when he marched the Cherokee nation off their lands

The party that the South used to stop freed blacks from voting for almost 100 years

The party that gave birth to the klan

The party that caused the entire mess of using politics to make the minorities depend on THEIR welfare benefits instead of seeking education and job opportunities

And if that's not enough

Last but not least, the party that forced mandated healthcare fines down the throats of the middle class to wipe out whatever is left of small businesses

It is a very difficult party history to idolize and I can't hold the D sign with a smile. I can have liberal views on issues, but the name Democrat has been scarred.

Would you agree?
So you're saying the party that filled up the ranks of the Confederacy and fought back Northern aggression, is the same party of Carter, Clinton, and Obama?
 
Old 04-15-2014, 10:15 PM
 
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It's really time to stop this nonsense.

Black/Asian/Native American voters won't change their minds because of these "well, back in 1860" rants from people who insist that insist that they absolutely should not be judged by white people from that time, ever. Make an argument for why anyone should vote for the current GOP, but nobody cares about this misguided look at history.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Republicans today are the Democrats or yesteryear.

If right-wingers were truly disgusted with the history of the Democrat Party, they wouldn't be voting Republican today.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Seeing you say you have liberal views, I am curious which party you do support.
Well Harrier holds some positions that are considered to be liberal - opposition to the death penalty, support for legalization of all drugs, and common sense environmentlal regulation, yet he is a Republican.

The Republican Party is the home of all modern day classical liberals in this republic.

Democrats are no longer classical liberals - they are left wing socialist extremists - which is what the term "liberal" means today.

Classical liberals are todays conservatives.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Republicans today are the Democrats or yesteryear.
That is a false statement and it is also the antithesis of Harrier's current research paper.

Harrier has liberals such as yourself to thank for introducing him to the topic.

If you want a copy of the final product - let Harrier know and he will e-mail to you it this summer.
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