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Old 04-16-2014, 03:22 PM
 
Location: MI
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It may come as a surprise to you, but this nation has always had people who you call "takers". They are members of the military, police, fire fighters, retired people, mothers caring for their children......you know.....Americans. You can call them whatever you want, because your words say more about you than them.
AMEN! It is so awful the gop now hate Americans. Americans born in this country who have paid taxes and are in need of assistance now. Was paul ryan who labeled people as takers a taker. He should ask his mother if they were takers when she received ss after her husband passed.

Please don't leave out European immigrants who receive food stamps & more when they come to the USA. EBT cards are given freely to immigrants who have paid ZERO DOLLARS in taxes.
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Old 04-16-2014, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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It may come as a surprise to you, but this nation has always had people who you call "takers". They are members of the military, police, fire fighters, retired people, mothers caring for their children......you know.....Americans. You can call them whatever you want, because your words say more about you than them.
Politically, your explanation might matter. Mathematically it doesn't not matter. You cannot have 86million people working in the private sector to support 148 million people taking benefits of some kind. It's unsustainable which is the whole point of this post.

The government, whether you like it or not, depends on the private sector to be funded and the fact that 86 million people are paying into something where 148 million are taking out, regardless of overlap, is unsustainable in the long-term.
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Old 04-16-2014, 03:32 PM
 
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Politically, your explanation might matter. Mathematically it doesn't not matter. You cannot have 86million people working in the private sector to support 148 million people taking benefits of some kind. It's unsustainable which is the whole point of this post.

The government, whether you like it or not, depends on the private sector to be funded and the fact that 86 million people are paying into something where 148 million are taking out, regardless of overlap, is unsustainable in the long-term.

I suppose it's about as unsustainable a model as 1% of the population holding 35-40% of the country's wealth, or earning 25% of all income in this country.


There will always be imbalances. Which one do you want to tackle first?
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Old 04-16-2014, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Politically, your explanation might matter. Mathematically it doesn't not matter. You cannot have 86million people working in the private sector to support 148 million people taking benefits of some kind. It's unsustainable which is the whole point of this post.
You do not understand the numbers. Military people pay taxes, police pay taxes, part timers pay taxes etc so the whole 86 vs 148 million comparison is nothing by political BS designed to mislead people like you, and unfortunately it seems to be working.
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Old 04-16-2014, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Politically, your explanation might matter. Mathematically it doesn't not matter. You cannot have 86million people working in the private sector to support 148 million people taking benefits of some kind. It's unsustainable which is the whole point of this post.

The government, whether you like it or not, depends on the private sector to be funded and the fact that 86 million people are paying into something where 148 million are taking out, regardless of overlap, is unsustainable in the long-term.
It is sustainable, it's been close to that ratio for decades - and dropped from 66% to 63% following the 2008 economic crash. If you want to blame the government then blame the President and Congress... and explain why other countries have the same trends.

Civilian labor force participation rate (16 years and over):
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Old 04-16-2014, 03:48 PM
 
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SMH @ this thread premise.
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Old 04-16-2014, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Somewhere extremely awesome
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Here's a little story:

Kevin, a 38-year salaried mechanical engineer and staunch Republican, earns $70,000 per year at his private sector job. His wife Amanda (36) works part-time (20 hours a week) doing medical billing. They live in an all-American suburb, and are staunch Republicans that would make CD Conservatives proud. They have four great kids: Tyler (12), a boy scout, an excellent baseball player, and a strong student; Hannah (10), who loves to read and just recently won a prize for an essay that she submitted to the local paper, Ethan (8), who has just started to take an interest in learning to repair engines with his dad, and Lizzie (6), a precocious first-grader who makes everybody smile.

Unfortunately, the company where Kevin works isn't doing very well, and they have to lay off 50 percent of their engineering staff in October 2011. Kevin is one of those. He briefly collects unemployment, but due to his strong work ethic, Kevin lands another job at another local company with a salary increase to $75,000 per year.

Questions:
1. What group do you think that Kevin and his family belong to?
2. What group do you think that Kevin and all of his family members will be counted under according to the article's criteria?
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Old 04-16-2014, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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You do not understand the numbers. Military people pay taxes, police pay taxes, part timers pay taxes etc so the whole 86 vs 148 million comparison is nothing by political BS designed to mislead people like you, and unfortunately it seems to be working.
Follow the cash flow. The military pays taxes on their income which comes from taxes. Ultimately, there are only 86 million private sector workers paying into the system.
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Old 04-16-2014, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Somewhere extremely awesome
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Here's another story:

Tonya, a 28-year old stay-at-home mom, is in an abusive relationship with her husband Dale (31). Dale works full-time, all year, in the private sector in a local non-union factory. They have two kids: Ava (4) and Darren (2). After Dale breaks Ava's arm in an alcohol-fueled rage, and throws Tonya down the stairs, breaking her ribs, Tonya bravely decides to leave in September 2011, taking Ava and Darren with her to safety. Tonya doesn't file charges against Dale, and he continues to work at his job. Tonya is now on her own in a small apartment with her children. In order to support them temporarily, she files for TANF assistant for three months, until she is able to land a full-time job at a private company, working as an administrative assistant.

Questions:
1. Who in this group belongs to the "workers" group?
2. Who in this group belongs to the "takers" group?
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Old 04-16-2014, 04:31 PM
 
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So are there 148 million extra jobs to be filled in the US?
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