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Old 04-18-2014, 08:11 PM
 
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As someone who has been to Baghdad more than 10 times, I can tell you that 1) It doesn't take much to be a "model city" in the Middle East, and 2) Baghdad doesn't, hasn't, and won't ever compare to cities like Dubai, Doha, and Abu Dhabi (been there many times, too). Not even close. (Which has more to do with capitalism and free markets more than it has to do with war.)
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Old 04-18-2014, 08:14 PM
 
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It has been downhill for Baghdad ever since Saddam rose to power. If you are interested, you should read about the bloody rise to power of Saddam and the fall of Iraq.
Finally, something we agree on!
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Old 04-19-2014, 09:02 AM
 
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I think maybe even the Shiites long for the days of Saddam. Well we can thank Bush for his wonderful war of liberation. He liberated our economy as well as Iraq... from prosperity.

"Baghdad (AFP) - As recently as the 1970s, Baghdad was lauded as a model city in the Arab world. But now, after decades of seemingly endless conflict, it is the world's worst city.

That is, at least, according to the latest survey by the Mercer consulting group, which when assessing quality of life across 239 cities, measuring factors including political stability, crime and pollution, placed Baghdad last.

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Once an Arab model, Baghdad now world's worst city

Yep....kind of reminiscent of black America. The article talks about all the problems......but not what created them. If there was no left/right dichotomy in America.....no one would ever link what America did to all the problems there today. The only people who blame America are liberal who see it as a dig against Republicans.....but look at the what Libya has become thanks to Obama. Lets not fool ourselves.

America never wants to take responsibility for all the problems it creates.....just like the problem with blacks.
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Old 04-19-2014, 09:33 AM
 
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No matter the condition of Iraq before the U.S. invasion, the awful situation faced by those living in Iraq today would not be nearly as dire, dangerous, or deadly had the United States not of used false pretext to stage an invasion and occupation of this country in order to gain access to its oil reserves.
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Old 04-19-2014, 09:41 AM
 
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I think maybe even the Shiites long for the days of Saddam. Well we can thank Bush for his wonderful war of liberation. He liberated our economy as well as Iraq... from prosperity.

"Baghdad (AFP) - As recently as the 1970s, Baghdad was lauded as a model city in the Arab world. But now, after decades of seemingly endless conflict, it is the world's worst city.

That is, at least, according to the latest survey by the Mercer consulting group, which when assessing quality of life across 239 cities, measuring factors including political stability, crime and pollution, placed Baghdad last.

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Once an Arab model, Baghdad now world's worst city
It's more than a little odd.

We go into Iraq, burn down their cities and kill their children. We reduce their economy to paleolithic status.

And the Iraqis aren't gratefully groveling at our feet.

The ingrates!
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:10 AM
 
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:54 AM
 
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It has been downhill for Baghdad ever since Saddam rose to power. If you are interested, you should read about the bloody rise to power of Saddam and the fall of Iraq.
America and the CIA put Saddam into his office.

"Saddam was seen by U.S. intelligence services as a bulwark of anti-communism and they used him as their instrument for more than 40 years, according to former U.S. intelligence diplomats and intelligence officials.

United Press International has interviewed almost a dozen former U.S. diplomats, British scholars and former U.S. intelligence officials to piece together the following account. The CIA declined to comment on the report.

While many have thought that Saddam first became involved with U.S. intelligence agencies at the start of the September 1980 Iran-Iraq war, his first contacts with U.S. officials date back to 1959, when he was part of a CIA-authorized six-man squad tasked with assassinating then Iraqi Prime Minister Gen. Abd al-Karim Qasim.

In July 1958, Qasim had overthrown the Iraqi monarchy in what one former U.S. diplomat, who asked not to be identified, described as "a horrible orgy of bloodshed."

According to current and former U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, Iraq was then regarded as a key buffer and strategic asset in the Cold War with the Soviet Union.

For example, in the mid-1950s, Iraq was quick to join the anti-Soviet Baghdad Pact which was to defend the region and whose members included Turkey, Britain, Iran and Pakistan."

Exclusive: Saddam key in early CIA plot - UPI.com

And, well, we liked Sadaam enough to sell uber amounts pf WMD to him.

"The US and Britain sold Saddam Hussein the technology and materials Iraq needed to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction.

Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene."

How Did Iraq Get Its WMD? - We Sold Them To Saddam

Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran
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Old 04-19-2014, 06:10 PM
 
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Yep....kind of reminiscent of black America. The article talks about all the problems......but not what created them. If there was no left/right dichotomy in America.....no one would ever link what America did to all the problems there today. The only people who blame America are liberal who see it as a dig against Republicans.....but look at the what Libya has become thanks to Obama. Lets not fool ourselves.

America never wants to take responsibility for all the problems it creates.....just like the problem with blacks.
Uh; the BIGGEST problem of American Black people in the US in 2014 is some other Black people, NOT anglo white racists. Jim Crow was killed about 50 years ago AND the POTUS is a "Black" dude.

Baghdad: I've never been there and word is it's def a dump and it's been that way long before the US went after Iraq.
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Old 04-20-2014, 07:06 AM
 
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Uh; the BIGGEST problem of American Black people in the US in 2014 is some other Black people, NOT anglo white racists. Jim Crow was killed about 50 years ago AND the POTUS is a "Black" dude.

Baghdad: I've never been there and word is it's def a dump and it's been that way long before the US went after Iraq.
Uhhh....the biggest problem with Iraqis are other Iraqis....today....and not Americans. What is the difference. Its called divide and conquer. If you get the people fighting among themselves then they have no focus or energy for fighting the people who caused their problems.

War between grasshoppers delights the crows. -African proverb
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Old 04-20-2014, 09:08 AM
 
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Uhhh....the biggest problem with Iraqis are other Iraqis....today....and not Americans. What is the difference. Its called divide and conquer. If you get the people fighting among themselves then they have no focus or energy for fighting the people who caused their problems.

War between grasshoppers delights the crows. -African proverb
Agreed and HOW talking about Iraq.
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