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Old 04-25-2014, 08:41 PM
 
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I dont give a rats ass how many databases it has to interface with, its code, and code and select code is the same if you are connecting to one database, or multiple. The only difference is the prefix.

Select * from database1.insurance doesnt cost any different than Select * from database2.insurance
Well except for hippa requirements for encryption, multiple different database interfaces-none of the databases being local, so lots of different interfaces with lots of rules, etc etc etc.

And yes congratulations you know how to select all the records from a SQL database. Course if you think its that easy you probably cant imagine why any company would hire a database expert or five....
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Old 04-25-2014, 08:41 PM
 
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Funny watching the same people who defended the federal contractors moan and groan about state contractors
If people were complaining about the contractors and not the state, they'd probably be defending the state contractors here too. Such hypocrites.
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Old 04-25-2014, 08:42 PM
 
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So the state bears no responsibility because it contracted it out? Perhaps they should've given it to a more competent company.
Fair enough, my point is #1 the person responsible is gone because of it, and that its not a liberal vs conservative issue. Its that these types of projects are prone to failure, and when a business fails to execute....thats their fault.
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Old 04-25-2014, 08:44 PM
 
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Fair enough, my point is #1 the person responsible is gone because of it, and that its not a liberal vs conservative issue. Its that these types of projects are prone to failure, and when a business fails to execute....thats their fault.
Shouldn't there have been some monitoring to make sure things were running smoothly before a quarter of a billion dollars were spent? Shouldn't the contract have called for penalties for not meeting various targets (if it didn't)? Yes, it's widely known these types of projects are known to failure. Given that, with so much taxpayer money invested, I'd say there should have been more oversight.
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Old 04-25-2014, 08:59 PM
 
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Well except for hippa requirements for encryption, multiple different database interfaces-none of the databases being local, so lots of different interfaces with lots of rules, etc etc etc.
The contractors for Healthcare.gov admit the website isnt hippa compliant. There is even a disclosure stating you agree to waive compliance if you apply through the website. Its not even a HTTPS site.

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And yes congratulations you know how to select all the records from a SQL database. Course if you think its that easy you probably cant imagine why any company would hire a database expert or five....
I would imagine they would have dozens of them.. I just dont know many that get paid $1M a year. Maybe you travel in different circles than I do..
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Old 04-25-2014, 09:03 PM
 
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Shouldn't there have been some monitoring to make sure things were running smoothly before a quarter of a billion dollars were spent? Shouldn't the contract have called for penalties for not meeting various targets (if it didn't)? Yes, it's widely known these types of projects are known to failure. Given that, with so much taxpayer money invested, I'd say there should have been more oversight.
You mean like the states quality assurance contractor? Yes they had one....
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Old 04-25-2014, 09:06 PM
 
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Also of note is that when executing all of this Oracle made the whole exchange completely dependent on Oracle software-knowing that they would make millions and millions in consulting and change fees in the future.

Oracle REALLY set it up for failure, both short term and long term, with horrifically written software that was bloated, and unwieldy put together by various groups.
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Old 04-25-2014, 09:11 PM
 
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For those readers who know this sort of thing.....lets put it this way. They were proud of the fact that they brought SVN in and used it.....but they didnt have a build system management tool, which also indicates, probably no unified unit testing, or completely automated testing capability of note. No ability to build and deploy to a blank system-in fact that required that the prior system be left in place! No project management tool to track progress, etc etc etc

They basically took all their local consultants, threw them together and said "make this".
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Old 04-25-2014, 09:22 PM
 
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Still don't know why an exchange needed to be created to enroll in the insurance. A website with prices and links to the individual carriers and state Medicaid site would have sufficed. I have been buying private insurance for 15 years and always had to present copy of tax return to insurance company to prove I had business profit. Why couldn't the same thing have been done with people providing copies of last year's tax return?

Could have saved millions of dollars that could have paid for many policies.
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Old 04-25-2014, 09:22 PM
 
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Also of note is that when executing all of this Oracle made the whole exchange completely dependent on Oracle software-knowing that they would make millions and millions in consulting and change fees in the future.

Oracle REALLY set it up for failure, both short term and long term, with horrifically written software that was bloated, and unwieldy put together by various groups.
Anyone who knows anything about software knows that database code is specific regardless if you are writing sql, access, or oracle. No matter what company was used, it still would have been dependant upon one database system and code written specifically to link to it..

Simply writing to code to connect to an Oracle database doesnt designate one to failure no different than my code all written to link to SQL means my sites will fail.

Oracle is a far better database and I would expect a system like this to use Oracle. Why wouldnt you bring in the developers of the software to get the best input?
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