Chatting With ‘A Climate Heretic’ Doing science by Consensus Is Not Science At All, Says The Climatologist

[Think4Yourself]

Originally Posted by PullMyFinger

Yet there is no real proof that the warming and the ice melt is not just a part of the on going warming since we came out of the last ice age only 10,000 years ago.

You can keep lying to yourself if you want but, yes there is massive proof, it is all published, and if you look at real scientific sources instead or retarded denier nonsense blogs you will find it. At this point there is no excuse for your ignorance other than you want to remain ignorant.

[Spatula City]

Originally Posted by voiceofreazon

No. I read it and disagreed with it. False analogy. Creationists start with their beliefs first and then seek arguments to support it. If anything YOUR side is more guilty of doing that then the skeptics.

You're making some pretty large assumptions about my 'side'... as well as the majority of climatologists.

And you're still ignoring the similarities between anti-AGWers and those who deny evolution (another consensus opinion). So are evolutionists guilty of groupthink too?

Originally Posted by voiceofreazon

It hardly needs to be a conspiracy. That's just another derogatory term so that you can lump in skeptics along with 9/11 truthers and other nuts. It's simply admitting that politics, activism, groupthink, ideological bias and greed exist in the science community as well as anywhere else. To pretend that they are immune to it, especially when billions of dollars are in the balance is naive and stupid. Climategate proved it and when the NSA, the EPA and some liberal universities investigated it, sheep like you believed there was no wrongdoing because the spin doctors told you so.

You're talking about a worldwide effort to convince people that AGW is happening when it's apparently not, involving multiple governments and science organizations. Not only are you suggesting that 200+ worldwide scientific organizations that believe in AGW are wrong, but that they are SO wrong that even you, the layman, can see through their terrible science.

So yes, it's a conspiracy.

Originally Posted by voiceofreazon

You are being disingenuous. No one said that climate scientists became climate scientists to chase the big bucks. I'm saying that the majority of funding comes from the government budget in the BILLIONS of dollars every year and rising. Do you REALLY think, in an environment like that, scientists are encouraged or supported in conducting truly impartial science that might DISprove CAGW and hence stop the gravy train? There are scientists like Hansen who made their careers off of alarmsm. There are scientists like Judith Curry who are vilified and cast out for daring to ask for transparency and openness in the scientific community. What kind of message do you think that sends to graduate students or researchers working in the trenches?
Essentially it's "Play ball or end up like her"

I am going around in circles here.

Did you know evolutionary biologists make almost $90k/per year?
And that the government gives out billions to them as well?

Do you REALLY think, in an environment like that, scientists are encouraged or supported in conducting truly impartial science that might DISprove evolution and hence stop the gravy train?

[ChrisC]

Originally Posted by Ih2puo

The science is settled!

Yes, and the laws of Newtonian mechanics were settled as well... until Einstein and a couple of others came along.

[PullMyFinger]

Originally Posted by Think4Yourself

You can keep lying to yourself if you want but, yes there is massive proof, it is all published, and if you look at real scientific sources instead or retarded denier nonsense blogs you will find it. At this point there is no excuse for your ignorance other than you want to remain ignorant.

Published by whom? Children who have the ability to only grasp a small, tiny percentage of God's creation.

Please stop wasting my time.