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Old 05-22-2014, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I really fear for this woman's safety. I'm sure the fanatical global warming cults have their crosshairs aimed.

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doom...imate-heretic/
But the scientific consensus about man-made climate change is not a consensus of opinion, but a consensus of evidence.

In other words, it is not that scientists all agree about climate change (although almost all do), it is that hundreds of different lines of scientific evidence, collected independently of each other, looking at completely different phenomena, all point to the same conclusion.
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Old 05-22-2014, 01:36 PM
 
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I've never seen any climatologist demand blind acceptance, and your claims that their positions have been compromised by filthy lucre are not supported by the facts. You don't like their results because they contradict Republican talking points, is all.
So you tell someone else that their claims are not supported by facts. Then in the very next sentence you tell that person what their "real" motivations are. In other words, you immediately did the exact thing you accused the other person of doing. Do you really expect to be taken seriously after such obvious hypocrisy?
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Old 05-22-2014, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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But the scientific consensus about man-made climate change is not a consensus of opinion, but a consensus of evidence.

In other words, it is not that scientists all agree about climate change (although almost all do), it is that hundreds of different lines of scientific evidence, collected independently of each other, looking at completely different phenomena, all point to the same conclusion.
Indeed...All science is done by consensus of the evidence. If Curry doesn't understand this, then I can only guess what her motivations are.
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Old 05-22-2014, 01:47 PM
 
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Indeed...All science is done by consensus of the evidence. If Curry doesn't understand this, then I can only guess what her motivations are.
Only supporters of AGW are allowed in on the consensus. That is NOT science, it's politics.
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Old 05-22-2014, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Only supporters of AGW are allowed in on the consensus. That is NOT science, it's politics.
The skeptical scientists have the same right to produce evidence to support their hypothesis, so why don't they?
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Old 05-22-2014, 01:59 PM
 
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Only supporters of AGW are allowed in on the consensus. That is NOT science, it's politics.
Exactly. All Curry is asking for is more transparency and acceptance of research that might run counter to the consensus. In other words, healthier, more objective science and she is being marginalized and vilified for it.
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Old 05-22-2014, 02:00 PM
 
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The skeptical scientists have the same right to produce evidence to support their hypothesis, so why don't they?
Politics.
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Old 05-22-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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I've said so explicitly. Several times. I'll say it again. I am not trying to change denialists' opinions, I'm just showing their claims are not supported by the facts. I expect denialists to continue to lie despite the facts. I'm not interested in debating people who whine and cry about Al Gore when presented with facts that contradict Rush and Sean. As the saying goes, it tires me out and annoys the pig.
And you have no facts. You have bad theory.

That's all.

Fact, it has stopped warming 17 years ago.
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Old 05-22-2014, 02:04 PM
 
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The skeptical scientists have the same right to produce evidence to support their hypothesis, so why don't they?
They do, but they are shut out of the peer review process because the entire AGW meme is being handled by GOVERNMENTS! Any independent scientists aren't allowed to even see their data nor participate in the consensus. Again...ALL POLITICS!
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Old 05-22-2014, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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They do, but they are shut out of the peer review process because the entire AGW meme is being handled by GOVERNMENTS! Any independent scientists aren't allowed to even see their data nor participate in the consensus. Again...ALL POLITICS!
Hogwash.
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