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Making murder illegal is not nanny state interference. Doing what you want with your body does not extend to killing others. It's an invalid comparison that relies on only viewing the issue through your own personal lens instead of debating both sides of the issue. Conservatives don't want to govern a woman's body. They want to ban the unnecessary termination of human life. If you want to see that as governing a woman's body then that's your own free choice to be ignorant. But saying that conservatives want to govern a woman's body is intellectual dishonesty and only serves to weaken your position. Building a strawman for the other side simply makes it look like you're incompetent to form a real argument on the issue.
Abortion isn't murder...that is the issue, therefore you are wanting to govern what a woman can and cannot do with her own body. That is not something the federal or state governments should be involved with. You would be upset if your government made masturbation illegal.
A fetus cannot survive outside of a human body in the first trimester, that is also the time a woman can have a miscarriage, if you think abortion is murder then you also have to think miscarriages are manslaughter. Both sound really stupid and no one would sentence a woman for manslaughter because her body had a miscarriage.
The only strawman argument is your attempt to justify allowing the federal government to govern what happens with a woman's body. You wouldn't want the federal government telling you what you can and cannot do with your own body, why do you want them to be involved in what happens in a woman's body?
Should we also have a government that is involved with our sex lives, telling us who we can and cannot have sex with, and only allowing us to have sex when we are financially able to have a child? I am sure you would find that form of government involvement to be insane, yet you support this same notion when you wish for the federal government to govern what women can and cannot do with their own bodies.
If you want to prevent abortions, offer to carry the baby for a woman who doesn't want to, and then you can take on the responsibility of raising that child.
Abortion isn't murder...that is the issue, therefore you are wanting to govern what a woman can and cannot do with her own body. That is not something the federal or state governments should be involved with. You would be upset if your government made masturbation illegal.
A fetus cannot survive outside of a human body in the first trimester, that is also the time a woman can have a miscarriage, if you think abortion is murder then you also have to think miscarriages are manslaughter. Both sound really stupid and no one would sentence a woman for manslaughter because her body had a miscarriage.
The only strawman argument is your attempt to justify allowing the federal government to govern what happens with a woman's body. You wouldn't want the federal government telling you what you can and cannot do with your own body, why do you want them to be involved in what happens in a woman's body?
Should we also have a government that is involved with our sex lives, telling us who we can and cannot have sex with, and only allowing us to have sex when we are financially able to have a child? I am sure you would find that form of government involvement to be insane, yet you support this same notion when you wish for the federal government to govern what women can and cannot do with their own bodies.
If you want to prevent abortions, offer to carry the baby for a woman who doesn't want to, and then you can take on the responsibility of raising that child.
Killing human life, has no place in civilized society.
Killing human life, has no place in civilized society.
Who is killing human life? A fetus cannot live outside of a human body in the first trimester. If you think abortion is murder, then you also think miscarriage is manslaughter.
I'm liberal and surprisingly, I don't care if people eat bacon.
How about some conservatives explain why you're so concerned with what language people speak?
Seriously, bacon is one of the greatest foods in the world. You could put bacon on just about anything and make it taste better. Heck, we even have a bacon sandwich, the BLT.
Who is killing human life? A fetus cannot live outside of a human body in the first trimester. If you think abortion is murder, then you also think miscarriage is manslaughter.
I haven't put a ton of thought into this so I could be wrong, but wouldn't the difference be that abortion is intentional?
The way I've viewed this, as neither a left or right winger, is this:
Applying the non-aggression principle, which is that the initiation of force against another human is immoral, there are 2 scenarios.
1. Abortion is acceptable if the fetus is not a human being yet, or...
2. Abortion is wrong if it is a human being already
I'm open to changing my mind, but my conclusion was that it is a human at conception, so abortion is immoral.
Who is killing human life? A fetus cannot live outside of a human body in the first trimester. If you think abortion is murder, then you also think miscarriage is manslaughter.
Actually it would be accidental death and possibly manslaughter only in cases of gross negligence.
Actually it would be accidental death and possibly manslaughter only in cases of gross negligence.
man·slaugh·ter
ˈmanˌslôtər/Submit
noun
the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder.
mis·car·riage
misˈkarij,ˈmisˌkarij/Submit
noun
1.
the expulsion of a fetus from the womb before it is able to survive independently, especially spontaneously or as the result of accident.
That would be the similar definitions if one also thinks abortion=murder. Therefore miscarriage=manslaughter.
Who is killing human life? A fetus cannot live outside of a human body in the first trimester. If you think abortion is murder, then you also think miscarriage is manslaughter.
Comparing abortion to a miscarriage is silly.
Miscarriage are rarely due to a conscious decision or action by the mother as abortions are.
Miscarriage could only be considered manslaughter if it was purposely induced by the mother in some way INCLUDING GROSS NEGLIGENCE.
But not when it happens naturally or as the result of an accident or other bodily trauma not under control of the mother.
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