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$150 billion dollars. $150 billion is 25% of Canada's entire budget and they cover everyone with health care in that money.
That's right, but Canada's socialized healthcare system is wayyyyyyy cheaper than the U.S. insuranced-based for-profit healthcare system. It's not just the VA healthcare that's so expensive, EVERYONE'S healthcare is more expensive in this country. Our healthcare is the most expensive on earth (so why would you expect the VA healthcare costs to be different?). If you want Canada-sized costs/patient we'll have to Canada-style healthcare.
That's right, but Canada's socialized healthcare system is wayyyyyyy cheaper than the U.S. insuranced-based for-profit healthcare system. It's not just the VA healthcare that's so expensive, EVERYONE'S healthcare is more expensive in this country. Our healthcare is the most expensive on earth (so why would you expect the VA healthcare costs to be different?). If you want Canada-sized costs/patient we'll have to Canada-style healthcare.
Ken
And none of that is ever addressed. The bloated costs are the headlines when? Why werent costs addressed with Obamacare?
This is why those like myself say "no". I was completely on board with Obama the candidates health care ideas. Well not completely but I thought them a good place to start. It's just too bad President Obama didn't follow through with his promises as candidate Obama.
It's a mistake that happens all the time to think because someone complains about something happening today its only because they are arguing for the other side. I do NOT support the other side here.
Increased budgets are not the answer for complacency , fraud, corruption and bloated costs.
And none of that is ever addressed. The bloated costs are the headlines when? Why werent costs addressed with Obamacare?
This is why those like myself say "no". I was completely on board with Obama the candidates health care ideas. Well not completely but I thought them a good place to start. It's just too bad President Obama didn't follow through with his promises as candidate Obama.
It's a mistake that happens all the time to think because someone complains about something happening today is only because they are arguing for the other side. I do NOT support the other side here.
Increased budgets are not the answer for complacency , fraud, corruption and bloated costs.
Getting rid of the for-profit based health care system in the U.S. is just not in the cards right now. It wouldn't have happened. Americans are just not ready for it and the insurance companies and drug companies have too much clout with Congress. Even among the Democrats there's wouldn't have been enough votes. That's just the realtiy. Obama knows that (as does everyone in Congress).
Getting rid of the for-profit based health care system in the U.S. is just not in the cards right now. It wouldn't have happened. Americans are just not ready for it and the insurance companies and drug companies have too much clout with Congress. Even among the Democrats there's wouldn't have been enough votes. That's just the realtiy. Obama knows that (as does everyone in Congress).
Ken
So I continue to support "no". What would have the country supported? They would have supported Obama's other promises also.
"Today as my first act in office I am calling a halt to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. I am calling on Congress to immediately start working on my promises for health care as costs are no longer an obstacle as we will be saving (whatever it is) by no longer making life worse for those in these countries".
He would have been very popular and could have got nearly anything he wanted.
The three GOP Senators need to be retired. The GOP as always went for the easy political point. The wrong guy resigned.
The Head Administrators at each VA unit which cooked the books should be fired. In my eyes they commited Theft of Service. An example of the idea that you throw cash at results instead of the process.
The GOP called for the head of Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki ultimately resulting in his resignation. However, it is impossible to provide free healthcare benefits to our veterans without appropriate funding. Due to two endless wars, the number of our veterans has skyrocketed!
In February, Senate Democrats pushed a bill on expanded veterans’ benefits. It would have expanded VA health care access, tuition assistance, and job training. But the Republicans blocked it!
Yep. It's kind of like the GOP shutting down the government and then whining and complaining that the government was shut down. There is a total disavowal by the GOP of the cause and effect of their actions.
Seems to me that both sides could have prevented the shut down. As it turned out Obamacare wasn't even ready to be started.
Seems to me that both sides could have prevented the shut down. As it turned out Obamacare wasn't even ready to be started.
The website had some problems early on, but once those were ironed out, it worked just fine. I have a nice, affordable plan that I'm very satisfied with that I got through one of the exchanges.
And your assertion that both sides could have prevented the shutdown is false equivalence. The GOP held the House, only one of the three bodies they needed to pass what they wanted. Even so, they demanded that they be allowed to dictate what the other 2/3rds did. When their demands weren't met, they shut the government down.
It was a planned strategy. Cruz wanted the shutdown--he spent the entire summer of 2012 traveling around the country on a nationwide tour sponsored by the Heritage Foundation, talking up the plan to defund the ACA and arguing that a shutdown of the government would not be a disaster for America or the Republican Party.
I think we should give Cruz the credit he so badly wants for his brilliant execution. He continues to tout the shutdown as a crowning achievement as recently as just a few days ago. The man worked for it. He, and the party that backed his strategy, deserve to have all the credit.
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