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Lets assume everything the Greenies say about Global Warming is true and soon all our cities will be flooded as the Ice Caps melt due to rising CO2 levels. In that case, shouldn’t Environmentalists be backing these three proposals:
1) Why not build levees around our costal cities? Us folks inland will donate the dirt and broken concrete from our construction projects. The Government only has to pay to have railroads (the cheapest form of land transport) haul it to costal cities. And then you guys dump it out wherever you think best until your cities are protected by levees 300 feet high and a thousand feet wide. You can cover them with grass and trees and on the ocean side have a nice sandy beach and you can line the top with a bunch of windmills.
2) Why not plant a tree that will take in carbon dioxide in the corner of every other parking stall? Nobody parks within a foot of the corner of the parking stall anyway. In the winter when the parking lot is covered with snow you’ll still be able to see where the parking stalls are at. In the summer you’ll be able to park your car in the shade and instead of a blazing hot trek across an oven-hot parking lot you can enjoy a nice stroll in the shade watching squirrels scamper and listening to the birds singing in the trees and you wash your car every week anyway.
3) Why not plant vines in planters outside the window of every skyscraper? These will restore the green environment lost to the city and the vines will take in CO2 from all the cars on the street and so stop air pollution at it’s source.
Americans are like King Canute, we don't believe the Ocean would dare flood our God blessed land and if it tries to we will stand at the edge of the sea and order the unruly Ocean to cease and desist and return to where it belongs.
In Western New York, we have the capacity to do so, but greedy power companies charge people here more for electricity so they can sell it elsewhere. Ain't capitalism a b---?
But, New york imports hydro power from both Ontario and Quebec, and here in BC they export it to California....What sense does it make to both import electricity, and export it, other than to put an artificially high price on it?
Any particular reason why you would put these levees on land occupied by buildings rather than on the water?
Never mind that the oceans actually show cooling, and the supposed "catastrophic man-made global warming" has taken a ten year hiatus, our own government admits to this.
Never mind that the oceans actually show cooling, and the supposed "catastrophic man-made global warming" has taken a ten year hiatus, our own government admits to this.
Is that what your right wing puppet masters tell you?
Long-term the oceans have been gaining heat at a rate equivalent to about 2 Hiroshima bombs per second, although this has increased over the last 16 or so years to around 4 per second. In 2013 ocean warming rapidly escalated, rising to a rate in excess of 12 Hiroshima bombs per second - over three times the recent trend.
A little background - I am a degreed mechanical engineer, so I am familiar - not so much with climate - but with water properties. So I am not speaking as some political hack who just parrots what they hear.
There is NO WAY the United States will have any effects from massive polar ice melting without Canada (for the Arctic) suffering before us. And vice versa for Antarctic ice melting - All of South America, Central America, and Mexico would suffer higher water levels before we would. The water has to travel from the polar regions to here before we see higher water levels.
Ice that melts up there, creates new water UP THERE - which will disperse southward towards Canada, Greenland, Russia, etc. Those places would feel the effects of rising sea levels much earlier than anything we would feel here. That's how water works. There is no case where ice would melt up there, and Norfolk, VA would alone suffer the effects - as the OP suggests.
Also - any ice existing below sea level that melts will not have an effect on the sea level since it is already below water. This is basically the ice cube in a glass water theory - the volume remains the same. However, ice above water that melts would add to the amount of existing sea water.
It guess they didn't teach that water as a liquid always assumes the shape of its container which in this case is the basins that make up our great oceans and seas (apart from the Caspian) and if you connect containers of different sizes and shapes and put water in any one of the containers the level changes or reaches the same height regarless of the shape or size of the container just as long as they a all connected. Also if you have water in two different containers and it is of different height (depths) and you connect em the water flowws from the one with the greatest height to the one with the lowest height and does so until the height is the same in both containers.
The problem is the ice at the Earths poles is largely on land above sea level for the ice in Greenland dwarfs the sea ice in the Arctic Ocean in volume and all the ice which is about an order of magnitude more than Greenland is on a continent size land mass larger than the the United States and Canada. The depth of ice in Antarctica averages 10,000 ft thick. The water in those two ice reservoirs is enough if melted to raise all ocean levels 50 meters or about 150 ft.
Most of that ice is fortunately still there at the poles, most of the sea level rise can be accounted for by the fact that the Earths oceans have warmed up a half to one degree on average and water thermally expands when heated . This fact also accounts for that missing temperature rise in the atmosphere due to retention of thermal energy the hydrosphere or Oceans which have a heat capacity that dwarfs the Earth's atmosphere. Most of the heat energy retained by the greenhouse effect of Earths atmospheric gases (virtually every gas in the Earths atmosphere is a greehouse gas to some degree but some are better greenhouse gases than others ) is going into warming up the seas and oceans. At least for the time being, When the pot has heated up look out.
But, New york imports hydro power from both Ontario and Quebec, and here in BC they export it to California....What sense does it make to both import electricity, and export it, other than to put an artificially high price on it?
It makes sense because most of the tax money to build the NYSPA power plants came from Downstate where most New Yorkers actually live. So that is why all that cheap power flows in big cables over your heads and goes along the routes through the Catskills and down the Hudson Valley to to Weschester
, the City and Long Island.
You have a choice to switch away from fossil fuels? Where does your electricity come from? I know there is a company in my area trying to sell "green" energy, saying all their power comes from renewable sources like wind and solar, but they rent the line from Reliant, which gets a greater amount of their electricity from coal. I always ask how they manage to direct only renewable energy to my lines when my neighbors are getti g regular energy.
Saying something is "green" has become a big marketing ploy. Folks say hey it's green so it must be good. I was a the store a few months back and some some lines of "green" cleaning supplies. I looked at the bottles and the same crap was in em as the regular stuff. The folks who want to "feel good" buy the green brand and think they are saving the world and pat themselves on the back. Easy to dupe those folks and it did cost a bit more too. lol
Saying something is "green" has become a big marketing ploy. Folks say hey it's green so it must be good. I was a the store a few months back and some some lines of "green" cleaning supplies. I looked at the bottles and the same crap was in em as the regular stuff. The folks who want to "feel good" buy the green brand and think they are saving the world and pat themselves on the back. Easy to dupe those folks and it did cost a bit more too. lol
Which line of cleaning supplies was this? If you looked at the bottles that closely, surely you can name them.
Sorry to break it to you globals but the antarctic ice is increasing. Of course it's due to global warming but it doesn't appear it will melt anytime soon so your gloom and doom scenarios are..........well............ridiculous. You can apparently thank global warming for more sea ice. Yippee.
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