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Cost effective= less care, with months on a wait list. The UK is very similar, unless you are the wealthy elite.
Less care with private healthcare? Less? Ya, for the money. Our Vets should be well taken care of... Then your have your idea of cost effective. Get rid of all the bureaucratic hands that are between the doctor and the veteran and it may be cost effective.
I got hernia surgery, the day after diagnosis. I waited 18 hours. Not months. That is cost effective.
The months on the wait list are because of an inadequate supply due to lack of funds. Diverting those scant funds to pay for costlier private care would be exactly the same except worse. You're making an assertion that is directly contradicted by studies showing that VA is more efficient than private health care per dollar spent.
The Bush/Cheney apologists ... the revisionists ... would like us to forget the Bush/Cheney lies about weapons of mass destruction and how those assertions and promises of evidence were what the Congress acted upon when voting for the Iraq war. Pointing the finger elsewhere is an exercise in lunacy.
Thinking people will never forget. Let the low information crowd live in their FOX News bubble, while the majority of Americans will continue to place blame where blame belongs.
Why don't they just insert a string in the back of her neck that when pulled makes her say"George Bush did it!" That woman is as stupid as a bag of hair.
We are having problems with veterans affairs because we have so many injured veterans from Iraq.
Iraq had nothing to do with Sept 11, and GW Bush attacked Iraq in the name of Sept 11. 10,000's of US soldiers were injured in Iraq, and these Iraq war veterans are straining the system. And of course GW Bush must get some of the blame for this.
But the sad thing is no republican here talks about the veterans having problems, rather they just want to insult Nancy Pelosi.
I wish sometimes Nancy Pelosi and even GW Bush could be put to the side, and then people talk about the veterans. Our war veterans went through hell over there. Example, many of them have nightmares seeing dead children, and seeing their friends killed.
Many veterans have problems when they come home, too bad we don't have more respect for them. But as Nancy Pelosi says "her party has worked hard for veterans in recent years."
Thinking people will never forget. Let the low information crowd live in their FOX News bubble, while the majority of Americans will continue to place blame where blame belongs.
Which indicates that you think Obama is blameless? Really?
The Bush/Cheney apologists ... the revisionists ... would like us to forget the Bush/Cheney lies about weapons of mass destruction and how those assertions and promises of evidence were what the Congress acted upon when voting for the Iraq war. Pointing the finger elsewhere is an exercise in lunacy.
As is not placing at least part of the blame on Obama.
He pulled us out with no casualties or injured, right? Talk about "revisionist" thinking.
The Bush/Cheney apologists ... the revisionists ... would like us to forget the Bush/Cheney lies about weapons of mass destruction and how those assertions and promises of evidence were what the Congress acted upon when voting for the Iraq war. Pointing the finger elsewhere is an exercise in lunacy.
Iraq should have been invaded in 1991 the way it was in 2003. Sadly the UN didn't want to convict Saddam of war crimes. If we did that, maybe the Kuwait oil fields would not have been set ablaze as the Iraqi soldiers had to evacuate. It's not like the WoMD were a new development in Iraq. We all knew they used biological weapons on "the infidels."
The Bush/Cheney apologists ... the revisionists ... would like us to forget the Bush/Cheney lies about weapons of mass destruction and how those assertions and promises of evidence were what the Congress acted upon when voting for the Iraq war. Pointing the finger elsewhere is an exercise in lunacy.
Who apologized for Bush?
Your hate for the right is fogging your ability to think rationally. Obama owns the VA scandal. Aren't you tired of defending corruption?
Originally Posted by Arjay51 Which indicates that you think Obama is blameless? Really?
Try again.
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Originally Posted by odanny
No, not really. No one is blameless.
I'm talking root cause. And that aint Pres. Obama.
You are using the root cause to excuse the current abuse of power.
At least independents are honest about placing blame where it belongs. Bush isn't blameless by any stretch of the imagination, but you people are doing for Obama what you accuse conservatives of doing for Bush.
The months on the wait list are because of an inadequate supply due to lack of funds. Diverting those scant funds to pay for costlier private care would be exactly the same except worse. You're making an assertion that is directly contradicted by studies showing that VA is more efficient than private health care per dollar spent.
Check this out. Here is proof the government doesn't know how to manage anything.
Enrollment in VA services has increased by 13% from 2007 to 2012. Despite a 76% increase in expenditures ($24 billion) over that period.
So the VA costs have nearly doubled in 5 years, even though enrollment for services only increased 17%.
All of you blaming Bush for the wars can suck it. It's all about how much cream these bureaucrats can skim, and our veterans are paying with their lives!
The Cleveland clinic handles 1/3rd as many patients at 1/10th the cost.
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