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Old 06-06-2014, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/acl...dall-amendment


John Hindraker at Power line blog has a good piece on this proposal, which is supported by 40 Senate Democrats.
Democrats Try to Repeal First Amendment | Power Line


The proposal to restrict the First Amendment has zero chance of passing. It would require ratification by 38 states, meaning that just 12 states could block passage. Still, as Hindraker points out, history shows that the climate can change dramatically in 20 years time. Who would have thought 20 years ago that 'gay marriage' would be the law of the land? Who would have thought 50 years ago that 'the land of the free' would set records for imprisonment?

It is worrisome that 40 Dem Senators (plus indy Bernie Sanders) support tinkering with the First Amendment.

God bless the ACLU for standing up in opposition to this.
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Old 06-06-2014, 06:19 PM
 
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Yes, worrisome indeed.
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Old 06-06-2014, 06:21 PM
 
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How do you destroy the constitution? How do you eat an elephant?
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Old 06-06-2014, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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How do you destroy the constitution? How do you eat an elephant?
Incrementally, of course.
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Old 06-06-2014, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking Democrat plan to repeal the First Amendment right to freedom of speech

Right...

Since the right wing supreme court ruled in Citizens United that unlimited anonymous campaign contributions = "free speech", any attempt at campaign finance reform will now be attacked from the rabid corporate right as "repealing the 1st amendment."

Amusing.

Carry on.

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Old 06-06-2014, 06:49 PM
 
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Right...

Since the right wing supreme court ruled in Citizens United that unlimited anonymous campaign contributions = "free speech", any attempt at campaign finance reform will now be attacked from the rabid corporate right as "repealing the 1st amendment."

Amusing.

Carry on.

Citizen United had absolutely nothing to do with unlimited campaign contributions. Campaign contributions are still restricted. Dont allow your ignorance here stop you though.

I'm sure you'll repeat it over and over.
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Old 06-06-2014, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Right...

Since the right wing supreme court ruled in Citizens United that unlimited anonymous campaign contributions = "free speech", any attempt at campaign finance reform will now be attacked from the rabid corporate right as "repealing the 1st amendment."

Amusing.

Carry on.


The Udall Amendment is a proposed Constitutional Amendment aimed at altering the First Amendment. What else would you call that but "repealing the 1st Amendment." If you didn't want to repeal the First Amendment, you would take another tack, such as scholarship to prove your point, and/or election of Presidents/Senators who agree with your view and will appoint SCOTUS justices accordingly.

If you want to repeal the First Amendment, fine, man up and own it. I will be on the side of the ACLU...no repeal of the First Amendment.
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Old 06-06-2014, 07:31 PM
 
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The Udall Amendment is a proposed Constitutional Amendment aimed at altering the First Amendment. What else would you call that but "repealing the 1st Amendment." If you didn't want to repeal the First Amendment, you would take another tack, such as scholarship to prove your point, and/or election of Presidents/Senators who agree with your view and will appoint SCOTUS justices accordingly.

If you want to repeal the First Amendment, fine, man up and own it. I will be on the side of the ACLU...no repeal of the First Amendment.
Do you know what the word repeal means?

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/sjres19/text

Section 1. To advance the fundamental principle of political equality for all, and to protect the integrity of the legislative and electoral processes, Congress shall have power to regulate the raising and spending of money and in-kind equivalents with respect to Federal elections, including through setting limits on—

(1) the amount of contributions to candidates for nomination for election to, or for election to, Federal office; and
(2) the amount of funds that may be spent by, in support of, or in opposition to such candidates.

Section 2. To advance the fundamental principle of political equality for all, and to protect the integrity of the legislative and electoral processes, each State shall have power to regulate the raising and spending of money and in-kind equivalents with respect to State elections, including through setting limits on—

(1) the amount of contributions to candidates for nomination for election to, or for election to, State office; and
(2) the amount of funds that may be spent by, in support of, or in opposition to such candidates.

Section 3. Nothing in this article shall be construed to grant Congress the power to abridge the freedom of the press.

Section 4. Congress and the States shall have power to implement and enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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Old 06-06-2014, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Not so fast...

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Citizen United had absolutely nothing to do with unlimited campaign contributions. Campaign contributions are still restricted. Dont allow your ignorance here stop you though.

I'm sure you'll repeat it over and over.
One of us doesn't know what he's talking about.

You're unfamiliar with the super-pacs that resulted from Citizens United, then.

The Citizens United ruling, released in January 2010, tossed out the corporate and union ban on making independent expenditures and financing electioneering communications. It gave corporations and unions the green light to spend unlimited sums on ads and other political tools, calling for the election or defeat of individual candidates.

Good info here


Of course, you'll try to save face by claiming, "but they can't make unlimited contributions to an individual."

As if that matters.

Carry on.

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Old 06-06-2014, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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How do you destroy the constitution? How do you eat an elephant?
With lots of sriracha sauce.
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