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Old 06-08-2014, 12:43 AM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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A joke that's been going around Facebook says "Obama so loved the poor that he created millions more".

The Democrats only answer to poverty in America is more government handouts, Medicaid, more unemployment benefits, Obamacare, expanding Medicaid etc. All these things do is foster a culture of dependency and entitlement, and simply make poverty more comfortable. But these policies never get anyone ahead. In particular, more generous unemployment benefits are a disincentive for the recipient to look for work more aggressively.

The answer to poverty is creating jobs so those who want to can work their way out of poverty. This can be done by creating a business friendly conducive to job growth. Democrat policies like high taxes and overregulation are hostile to businesses.

Some of y'all also wonder why people in "Red States" often vote Republicans despite poverty in these states. I'm going to try to explain as a current resident of West Virginia who grew up in Louisiana and also lived in liberal Maryland for a long time. WV and LA have higher poverty rates, but the majority of West Virginians and Louisianans are still middle class or blue collar and DO NOT depend on welfare. Yet because of the poor people around, we see welfare being abused all the time. I challenge you to stand behind someone in line at the supermarket waiting forever while they can 5 different WIC cards and EBT things. Then outside you see them getting into a brand new SUV. I challenge you to experience this like I have and not be Republican. I personally know people who cheat the system and it disgusts me. I think unemployment benefits and workers comp are already too generous. WC is also very subject to fraud and dishonesty. I've heard that up to half of workers comp claims are at least partially phony or exaggerated.

Democrat policies like the war on coal and the EPA regulations have put many people out of work in West Virginia and contributed to many social problems here. West Virginia is actually a Democrat state since the state house is controlled by Democrats, and the governor is a Democrat. WV is only Republican when it comes to presidential elections, and only since 2000 when Al Gore proved hostile to coal, which is the main industry in West Virginia and employs more people than any other. Entire families and communities depend on coal yet the liberal elite want to shut down our mines and attack our industry through these carbon emissions laws for power plants. By the way when electric rates skyrocket, its poor families that will be more affected than the liberal elite. Our governor appeased Obama by expanding Medicaid and accepting Obamacare. The poorest counties in WV are the most Democrat ones. Democrat control has done nothing to help this state except get people accustomed to welfare checks and government freebies.

Living in liberal Maryland has also made me more conservative. I am the son of LEGAL immigrants and my taxes and tuition were increased so illegal aliens can benefit. Welfare abuse is the order of the day in Baltimore and PG County.

 
Old 06-08-2014, 12:49 AM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Oh yes while many Blue States look good on paper the trend is reversing. Yes, there are many companies based in California and New Jersey but these were founded when these states were less fiscally liberal. No major companies are being founded in California or NJ. Most of the new job growth is in Red States like Texas and North Carolina with low taxes, few regulations, and right to work laws. Many companies have relocated to Texas from California. New Jersey and California are seeing zero job growth and now just want to raise more taxes to get more revenue, which will drive more people away.
 
Old 06-08-2014, 01:28 AM
 
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Oh yes while many Blue States look good on paper the trend is reversing. Yes, there are many companies based in California and New Jersey but these were founded when these states were less fiscally liberal. No major companies are being founded in California or NJ. Most of the new job growth is in Red States like Texas and North Carolina with low taxes, few regulations, and right to work laws. Many companies have relocated to Texas from California. New Jersey and California are seeing zero job growth and now just want to raise more taxes to get more revenue, which will drive more people away.
Well you sure made a strong argument. Its well known that all those tech start ups are being done in Georgia, the Carolinas, Alabama, Tennessee, you know, the epitome of red states. I mean none of those start ups are flocking to the bay area at all what so ever

Texas is a rare exception, due to the oil boom. And good for Texas for being blessed with an abundant resource in high demand creating good jobs. But outside those areas of work, many of the new jobs created were low paying or govt. employees
 
Old 06-08-2014, 01:33 AM
 
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Well you sure made a strong argument. Its well known that all those tech start ups are being done in Georgia, the Carolinas, Alabama, Tennessee, you know, the epitome of red states. I mean none of those start ups are flocking to the bay area at all what so ever

Texas is a rare exception, due to the oil boom. And good for Texas for being blessed with an abundant resource in high demand creating good jobs. But outside those areas of work, many of the new jobs created were low paying or govt. employees
Actually Texas has a pretty thriving software and technology development thing going on.
 
Old 06-08-2014, 01:34 AM
 
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Well you sure made a strong argument. Its well known that all those tech start ups are being done in Georgia, the Carolinas, Alabama, Tennessee, you know, the epitome of red states. I mean none of those start ups are flocking to the bay area at all what so ever

Texas is a rare exception, due to the oil boom. And good for Texas for being blessed with an abundant resource in high demand creating good jobs. But outside those areas of work, many of the new jobs created were low paying or govt. employees
You thumbs up many of the new jobs being created being low paying?
 
Old 06-08-2014, 01:37 AM
 
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Then outside you see them getting into a brand new SUV.
You don't qualify for SNAP if you have more than $3K in assets.

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No major companies are being founded in California or NJ
CA had the most business start ups in 2013, given CA's record, there is a high probability they will become major companies.

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New Jersey and California are seeing zero job growth and now just want to raise more taxes to get more revenue, which will drive more people away.
CA added 330K jobs from April 2013 to April 2014. Since Feb. 2010, CA added 1,368,500 private sector jobs.

http://www.jec.senate.gov/public//in...a-2403c58756ae
 
Old 06-08-2014, 02:17 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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California's unemployment rate is currently 48 out of 51 states (including DC) at 7.8 percent. Only Illinois, Nevada, and Rhode Island are worse. Texas is currently 17 @ 5.2 percent.

Unemployment Rates for States
 
Old 06-08-2014, 08:23 AM
 
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Paying people to breed is stupid policy - and it's pretty much what the welfare programs are about. TANF actually gives free cash every month to women who have children they could never support.
 
Old 06-08-2014, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well you sure made a strong argument. Its well known that all those tech start ups are being done in Georgia, the Carolinas, Alabama, Tennessee, you know, the epitome of red states. I mean none of those start ups are flocking to the bay area at all what so ever

Texas is a rare exception, due to the oil boom. And good for Texas for being blessed with an abundant resource in high demand creating good jobs. But outside those areas of work, many of the new jobs created were low paying or govt. employees
It's more than just oil.

Is oil the reason Austin, DFW, San Antonio and other Texas cities are booming with millions coming here ?
They are not all in the oil business.
 
Old 06-08-2014, 08:54 AM
 
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Paying people to breed is stupid policy - and it's pretty much what the welfare programs are about. TANF actually gives free cash every month to women who have children they could never support.
If you really think that women have babies so they can get greater benefits I would say with certainty that you`ve never raised children. By raising children I`m not talking about taking the boy fishing or to his little league game.
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