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Old 06-12-2014, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Even in terms of the UK Police, the uniform has changed reflecting massive changes in policing with armed teams, armed response vehicles, tactical support units/riot police, aerial support and a host of other specialised support teams.

Furthermore gone are the days of the truncheon, which has been replaced by expandable metal batons, pepper spray and taser, with offices now heavily protected and donning stab proof vests along with black uniforms which are increasingly replacing the old tunic, shirt and tie.

It's also just been announced today that the London Mayor Boris Johnson is to use part of his policing budget to buy the Metropolitan Police three water cannons as a matter of urgency.

Boris Johnson to buy three water cannon for Metropolitan police | UK news | The Guardian

BBC News - Boris Johnson agrees to be blasted by water cannon

At least some police services such as Surrey have realised that overly aggressive uniforms are not really what the public want when they have to approach a police officer.

Your tattoo is not Pc, officers told - Telegraph

Although the UK has a long way to go to reach the levels of militarisation among some US Police Departments.

Paramilitary police: Cops or soldiers? | The Economist

America's police are looking more and more like the military | Michael Shank and Elizabeth Beavers | Comment is free | theguardian.com

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Old 06-12-2014, 06:24 AM
 
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Instead of whining why don't you become a police officer and fix the system?
Are you scared too?



And yes police do kill people sometimes, but that's just the sad reality of living in a gun, gang, and poverty infested country like America.

And lets look at who the police are killing.
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, January 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They are killing people who shot at them, killing mentally insane individuals going after their mothers with screw drivers, killing robbers trying to stab police officers, killing car thieves, ex.ex.

But a few 100% innocent people do get killed, and its unfortunate but everyone makes mistakes. Doctors make mistakes, military pilots make mistakes, careless drivers make mistakes (and so do police officers.)


And I have been stopped by the police many times in my life, and I have never had any problems (but I respect the police.)

Most police killings would not happen if those people did what they were supposed to do. Like turn off their vehicles and keep their hands on the steering wheel when pulled over, stop running when police tell them too, or lay on the ground when the police tell them too, ex.ex.
I am curious how you think a corporate employee is the way to fix the system.

The last part in bold is valid reason for killing or injuring someone?
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Old 06-12-2014, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Fundamentally reshape Obamas fundamentally reshaped America.
Which means do what?
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Originally Posted by chad3 View Post
Instead of whining why don't you become a police officer and fix the system?
Are you scared too?


And yes police do kill people sometimes, but that's just the sad reality of living in a gun, gang, and poverty infested country like America.

And lets look at who the police are killing.
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, January 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They are killing people who shot at them, killing mentally insane individuals going after their mothers with screw drivers, killing robbers trying to stab police officers, killing car thieves, ex.ex.

But a few 100% innocent people do get killed, and its unfortunate but everyone makes mistakes. Doctors make mistakes, military pilots make mistakes, careless drivers make mistakes (and so do police officers.)


And I have been stopped by the police many times in my life, and I have never had any problems (but I respect the police.)

Most police killings would not happen if those people did what they were supposed to do. Like turn off their vehicles and keep their hands on the steering wheel when pulled over, stop running when police tell them too, or lay on the ground when the police tell them too, ex.ex.
So recognizing this serious issue is whining, and the only solution is to become a cop? Sorry Im way above the IQ cut off.
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Even in terms of the UK Police, the uniform has changed reflecting massive changes in policing with armed teams, armed response vehicles, tactical support units/riot police, aerial support and a host of other specialised support teams.

Furthermore gone are the days of the truncheon, which has been replaced by expandable metal batons, pepper spray and taser, with offices now heavily protected and donning stab proof vests along with black uniforms which are increasingly replacing the old tunic, shirt and tie.

It's also just been announced today that the London Mayor Boris Johnson is to use part of his policing budget to buy the Metropolitan Police three water cannons as a matter of urgency.

Boris Johnson to buy three water cannon for Metropolitan police | UK news | The Guardian

BBC News - Boris Johnson agrees to be blasted by water cannon

At least some police services such as Surrey have realised that overly aggressive uniforms are not really what the public want when they have to approach a police officer.

Your tattoo is not Pc, officers told - Telegraph

Although the UK has a long way to go to reach the levels of militarisation among some US Police Departments.

Paramilitary police: Cops or soldiers? | The Economist

America's police are looking more and more like the military | Michael Shank and Elizabeth Beavers | Comment is free | theguardian.com
Its hard to dispute that policing is changing here in the UK. I cringed when I heard some UK police departments hired consultants ftom the LAPD (cringe). Fortunately, as you suggest, they're far off from militarization like the US.

I have found for the most part, UK cops are far more relaxed friendly and professional. I earnestly hope this doesn't change.
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:03 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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I am curious how you think a corporate employee is the way to fix the system.

The last part in bold is valid reason for killing or injuring someone?
Put yourself in the position of the police.

Imagine you were a police officer and you responded to a call where a man was threatening people with a knife. And when you got to the scene the man would not follow your orders to lay on the ground with his arms spread, instead the man quickly walks towards you with one of his hands behind his back. Would you calmly stand there watching as the man walks towards you (or) would you get out your pistol to defend yourself?

Or if you pulled over a vehicle matching the description of a armed robbers vehicle. And as you were walking up to the vehicle the occupant was reaching for something under the seat. Would you continue calmly walking up to the vehicle (or) would you get out your pistol to defend yourself?

What would you do in the above situations?
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Its hard to dispute that policing is changing here in the UK. I cringed when I heard some UK police departments hired consultants ftom the LAPD (cringe). Fortunately, as you suggest, they're far off from militarization like the US.

I have found for the most part, UK cops are far more relaxed friendly and professional. I earnestly hope this doesn't change.
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:59 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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So recognizing this serious issue is whining, and the only solution is to become a cop? Sorry Im way above the IQ cut off.
Men and women who are police officers risk their lives everyday to keep us and our families safe.

Would you become a police officer and risk your life everyday to keep us safe?
(If not you should not be whining about their behavior, when you yourself are personally scared to carry out their service duties.)

Instead of disrespectfully speaking about police, you should respectfully speak of ideas on how to keep police and the general public safer. But you are more interested in spreading beliefs within the US republican community (like) the police and military are going to turn us into communists.

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Old 06-12-2014, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Men and women who are police officers risk their lives everyday to keep us and our families safe.

Would you become a police officer and risk your life everyday to keep us safe?
(If not you should not be whining about their behavior, when you yourself are personally scared to carry out their service duties.)

Instead of disrespectfully speaking about police, you should respectfully speak of ideas on how to keep police and the general public safer. But you are more interested in spreading beliefs within the US republican community (like) the police and military are going to turn us into communists.
Nonsense. I am not a Republican and I said nothing about turning us into commies. I am saying that police abuse is rampant, there are far too many no knock warrants executed in the US, and that police are masquerading as an invading army. I do not need to be a cop to criticize the lousy job they are doing. I never said I was too scared to do the job.

By the way, their job isnt too keep us safe, its to enforce the law. The supreme court said so.
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Old 06-12-2014, 06:21 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Nonsense. I am not a Republican and I said nothing about turning us into commies. I am saying that police abuse is rampant, there are far too many no knock warrants executed in the US, and that police are masquerading as an invading army. I do not need to be a cop to criticize the lousy job they are doing. I never said I was too scared to do the job.

By the way, their job isnt too keep us safe, its to enforce the law. The supreme court said so.
I stand corrected. I assumed you were a US republican.

It appears you are from/in England, and England is a very different place than America. America is filled with poverty, crime, racism, lack of care for the mentally ill, street gangs, large crack cocaine epidemics, and a high number of armed citizens. And Americas police are forced to be more aggressive than police in England.

The statement "American police are masquerading as an invading army" is uninformed, paranoid, and delusional.

Perhaps you should focus on police procedures in England, because clearly you don't have enough knowledge about American society or culture to be judging our law enforcement officers.

Chad.
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