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Old 06-12-2014, 08:34 AM
 
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Iraq is a WW1 imperial power construct. Should have gone with the 2006 Biden plan to break Iraq up into it's 3 ethic regions. Now that's just going to happen by force and violence.
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:35 AM
 
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Gotta agree with this. "Peace with honor" is the lie, and it's the only lie the US populace will accept when the country has got into a war under false pretenses in the first place. If it took a lie to get in, it takes a lie to get out.
When you look at our foreign policy, how can a sane person come to any conclusion other than it's run by Corporate America? There is no national policy here, just a dangerous group of capitalists with very lethal weapons.
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:37 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The United States has been failing at foreign policy since the end of the Second World War. A dismal failure.
True, Carter was a foreign policy disaster, but Obama has surpassed even that dismal performance.
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:39 AM
 
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History repeated itself when the US entered yet another war where it had no business being, both Vietnam and Iraq were never threats to the US.
Hmmm... Clinton sure seemed to believe Iraq was a threat:


President Clinton orders attack on Iraq - YouTube
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Mosul is not a city in US, so why are the same people who are asking "we are not the world police, why are we still in Afghanistan" suggesting Mosul is our problem, which we need to fix?
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:47 AM
 
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The Republicans and Tea Party types dragged us into Iraq. Now they are suddenly silent except they want to blame Obama.
Actually, Clinton raised the alarm on Iraq.


President Clinton orders attack on Iraq - YouTube
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:52 AM
 
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It shows that trying to build a Country in your own image still does not work. Someday, we may learn that.
Exactly.

William J. Clinton: Statement on Signing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:54 AM
 
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Sadly, this is the inevitable result of the neocon policies that assumed that you can build a democracy anywhere.
Actually, as I just noted, that was Clinton, not the neocons.

William J. Clinton: Statement on Signing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:56 AM
 
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Actually, Clinton raised the alarm on Iraq.
You mean after we defeated them in Gulf War 1? It was actually Bush Sr, although I am sure any US president would have done the same thing.
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Old 06-12-2014, 09:00 AM
 
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Actually, Clinton raised the alarm on Iraq.
And yet, Clinton resisted the pressure from Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz to invade Iraq.

Politicians do a lot of politicking in public. What they do is more significant. If you go back and listen to JFK's politicking prior to his election, it would have sounded like his first act in office would be to declare war on the USSR.
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