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Old 06-15-2014, 12:36 AM
 
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And what is that? I'm not listening to anyone, this is just my opinion. Sorry, just common sense.....pollution pollutes, right.
Pollution does pollute. We should avoid it, it is gross, expensive, and wasteful. Science simply does not prove it to be the cause of climate change.
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Old 06-15-2014, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Where you aren't
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Perhaps they made the same mistake you did, and thought that Berkeley Earth was a denier's site.
The website makes itself clear. I'm just showing it to discredit you climate change conspiracy theory nut jobs.
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Old 06-15-2014, 07:35 AM
 
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97% of the science supports AGW. What supports your denial of that science?
The fact it hasn't warmed in over 17 years. The fact that the earth heats and cools periodically. The fact that theory is not fact and is thus unproven therefore why I am of the opinion that humans have are not causing anything.

I deal in facts. Not theory.

When theory becomes fact, get back to me.
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Old 06-15-2014, 07:47 AM
 
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Heck, you even claim that C02 alone raises the ocean temps. You might not understand English enough to understand what you imply in these sentences, doesn't mean it aint there. Context has meaning.

Back-peddle faster bro.
He tap-dances quite well. He says CO2 doesn't warm the atmosphere, then in the next thread it does. Since it hasn't warmed in 17 years, obviously his sources are wrong. That's what the science he says he follows indicates yet he discounts that science, thus the cherry picking continues.
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Old 06-15-2014, 07:48 AM
 
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Sorry, I cannot deal with a person who either twists or misunderstands everything I post...See ya.
IOW you got called on your hypocrisy.
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Old 06-15-2014, 07:50 AM
 
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There is no El Nino now....Educate your own self.

Synopsis: The chance of El Niño is 70% during the Northern Hemisphere summer and reaches 80% during the fall and winter. Climate Prediction Center: ENSO Diagnostic Discussion

El nino is starting. Reeducate yourself.
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Old 06-15-2014, 07:51 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Of the 2,258 peer-reviewed papers that have been published on the subject of climate change between November 2012 and December 2013, representing the positions of 9,136 authors, exactly one of those, written by a single Russian scientist, rejected the idea that climate change is caused by human activity. But none of this has stopped or even slowed down the professional skeptics. In fact the Heartland Institute just announced the 9th International Conference on Climate Change at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. The event is being billed as an “International Gathering of Scientists Skeptical of Man-Caused Global Warming.”

Previous versions of this conference have been heavily funded by ExxonMobil, the Koch Brothers and the conservative Scaife Foundation, receiving as much as $67 million from these groups. This year’s event is likely to be little different. Which, of course gets us to the point of circle-jerk events like this one. It’s big oil behind the scenes, keeping that steady drumbeat of doubt going. Doubt and inaction go hand in hand.

Nick Cohen at the Guardian claims that the deniers have already won. Perhaps the fact that we are even having this conversation in 2014 supports his assertion. Of course, the part that they won’t figure out until it’s too late is that if they win, we all lose. The fact that by doing all they can to suppress effective action on greenhouse gas emissions means, of course, that they are gambling with the future of the planet, in hopes that the one guy out of 9,136 was right. What better place to do that than Las Vegas?
Undeterred By Facts, Climate Deniers Will Carry the Torch to Las Vegas
Human caused climate change advocates are bleeding us dry of cash for no gain in preventing the disaster they say is looming and agree, cannot be prevented.

So why use our wealth in a convoluted knee jerk reaction framed in a limited time offer, to save the planet ?

Sure, respect the planet and encourage individual responsibility, however, there is no critical time line that must be met except to promote a political agenda for profiteers.
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:54 AM
 
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The fact it hasn't warmed in over 17 years. The fact that the earth heats and cools periodically. The fact that theory is not fact and is thus unproven therefore why I am of the opinion that humans have are not causing anything.

I deal in facts. Not theory.

When theory becomes fact, get back to me.
He is lying about the 97% percent figure. His "proof" is a bunch of papers, most of which have nothing to do with climate change, don't disagree with climate change. The ONLY requirement that the OP had was that the article mentions the term "climate change" somewhere within it, and does not claim that climate change is natural.

There are thousands of papers that mention the keyword term "climate change" but are not actually about climate change. Because they are not actually about climate change, they don't worry about who or what is causing it. They count this as "not denying man made global warming", and they are right. They also count it as the papers "coming to the conclusion that climate change is man made" which is NOT true.

The quoted study did NOT search for people saying man-made climate change is real. They searched for instances of the term "climate change" and they put the results in two groups:

1. Papers that claim that it is not man-made.
2. EVERY OTHER PAPER THAT MENTIONS THE TERM, even if it doesn't even come to a conclusion AT ALL about who or what is the cause of climate change.

He said that this is backed by 10,000 scientists, I provided a link to a petition claiming man-made climate change is not the problem that they think it is, and has little overall effect on climate change as a whole, that petition was signed by over 30,000 scientist, over 10,000 of them have PHD's.
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Old 06-15-2014, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The "deniers" are not risking yours or their futures. They are risking the grandkids futures.
And again, how will the science change it? How is the "risk" going to be stopped?

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Actually, it is those who preach that mankind has suddenly taken over the role of nature in changing the climate, who are the ones gambling with our future. They advocate that mankind, in essence, start living like church-mice, and abandon virtually everything that has elevated us over the animals, and THAT my dear misguided sycophants, is the true danger.
They are good little sheeple who repeat what they're told. They refuse to (can't) answer the simple question of how science, demanding all the money in the world, will change anything. Deep down they must understand that we can't do a damn thing to change it, yet continue to drone on about fixing the planet. Obama's "this is the day the oceans stopped rising" speech shows how out of touch with reality they are.

We are nothing but flees on a dog waiting to be shook off, whenever Earth so chooses.

You are right, they are the danger.

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Old 06-15-2014, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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Of the 2,258 peer-reviewed papers that have been published on the subject of climate change between November 2012 and December 2013, representing the positions of 9,136 authors, exactly one of those, written by a single Russian scientist, rejected the idea that climate change is caused by human activity. But none of this has stopped or even slowed down the professional skeptics. In fact the Heartland Institute just announced the 9th International Conference on Climate Change at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. The event is being billed as an “International Gathering of Scientists Skeptical of Man-Caused Global Warming.”

Previous versions of this conference have been heavily funded by ExxonMobil, the Koch Brothers and the conservative Scaife Foundation, receiving as much as $67 million from these groups. This year’s event is likely to be little different. Which, of course gets us to the point of circle-jerk events like this one. It’s big oil behind the scenes, keeping that steady drumbeat of doubt going. Doubt and inaction go hand in hand.

Nick Cohen at the Guardian claims that the deniers have already won. Perhaps the fact that we are even having this conversation in 2014 supports his assertion. Of course, the part that they won’t figure out until it’s too late is that if they win, we all lose. The fact that by doing all they can to suppress effective action on greenhouse gas emissions means, of course, that they are gambling with the future of the planet, in hopes that the one guy out of 9,136 was right. What better place to do that than Las Vegas?
Undeterred By Facts, Climate Deniers Will Carry the Torch to Las Vegas
All the Usual Suspects. BIG SURPRISE!!!!!

You people are crazy folks. Like the Truthers, Like the Birthers. Climate is changing. But YOU PEOPLE do not uinderstand the direction.

ICE AGE, my friend. ALL the signs point to it. But you folks want to do everything you can to prevent an ice age, As if you can.

Why do you think we puny humans can change anything? Are you people greater than the sun? The Milankovitch cycle? The precession cycle?

Somhow I dont think so.
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