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Good for Illinois, I am sure the right wingers will be upset because for them to have a chance at winning the voter turnout needs to be low.
Why would voter turnout be low?
Because not allowing registration the day of the vote prevents interested parties from voting?
So suddenly that day, legions of people woke up, never having voted before, and just have to vote today!
Or is turn out low because the people that are registered feel disenfranchised and the rest of the potential eligible voters simply could care less and don't even bother to register?
Same day registration and other reforms allow political scavengers to pick up warm bodies, induce them to vote with misleading words or material incentives and tell them who to vote for. Preventing that alone would be worth the restrictions this reform tries to remove.
If you are interested in the right to vote, you'd first want to ensure eligiibility, so legally cast votes are not invalidated by illegal voters.
I'm skeptical of any system taking us closer to an American Idol voting "contest" where it takes zero effort for low information people to cast their vote on a whim with less thought than they put in when ordering off the McDonalds' value menu.
If you don't put in enough forethought so that you are registered and have an ID on you prior to the election, I'd prefer you didn't vote.
Larger turnouts don't mean better results, it means there is a greater chance of more votes cast without any true consideration, research or knowledge. It's one of the reasons I'd like to have not only the straight ticket option removed but also no indication of party affiliation on the ballot.
All we have to do is take a look at music, television and the movies to see that when the McDonalds' generation makes decisions on a whim, we get Miley Cyrus, the Kardashians and Transformers. Cheap flash.
"Democracy demands an educated and informed electorate." Thomas Jefferson
If you want to argue with Jefferson who I would imagine was more intelligent than you and I combined, feel free.
I don't care what Tom Jefferson wrote.
Here is what Thomas Jefferson wrote about enslaved Africans in his book Notes on the State of Virginia
To our reproach it must be said, that though for a century and a half we have had under our
eyes the races of black and of red men, they have never yet been viewed by us as subjects of natural history. I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind. It is not against experience to suppose, that different species of the same genus, or varieties of the same species, may possess different qualifications.
So because Thomas Jefferson was so smart we must accept his every thought as right and we must live by those words.
You aren't thinking. There are no questions asked to voters about what they know about politics before they vote, so your point is irrelevant. There is no standard for what someone has to know to vote. And there won't be a standard for what a citizen has to know to vote
So it is a terrible reasoning to oppose making registering to vote voting easier on that basis that doesn't have anything to do with actually voting.
It simply confirms my point that conservatives don't want all eligible voters to vote because they don't believe in a representative government that serves the needs of all citizens because they hate millions of their fellow Americans and don't want them voting.
If you think Jefferson, of all people, wanted to restrict voting rights (at least from white people), you are sadly mistaken.
That quote's purpose was to encourage people to be educated, not to restrict voting rights to the folks you like best.
People who use the Founders' quotes out of context could use some education themselves, I suppose.
My post was responding to someone who basically said it shouldn't matter if someone educates themselves on the ballot measures, etc. because everyone has the right to vote. Obviously everyone does have that right, it just helps to inform ourselves of what we are voting on, council seats, local taxes, basically anything on the ballot.
There is no proof. Again conservatives are very much over reaching in their voter suppression efforts that prove to awake Americans how much conservatives hate and don't want those that they hate to vote and are willing to use conspiracies about rampant but yet unproven voter fraud as the justification.
The core of conservatism is about exclusion.
conservatives seek to have those they see as out groups excluded from being served by their own government, and preventing those people from voting or registering to vote or limiting voting hours or early voting is how conservatives are attempting to enact those beliefs.
There is proof, occasionally we are allowed to actually investigate it and prosecute it. Voter fraud happens, it happens in every election and sometimes we catch it.
The only group I seek to exclude from voting is the group of people who shouldn't be voting. I don't hate anyone, I hate fraud and ignorance which just happens to be plentiful within the groups of people who claim there is no voter fraud.
It's been proven numerous times that people have voted over and over in the same election....
Why do you promote that?
You can use all the words....ugly blah blah blah you want...but you are wrong and have zero to back anything up......
conservatives are utterly in fantasyland.
Voter fraud has been investigated by motivated and dishonest conservatives and still they find very, very few instances of in person voter fraud.
Yet again conservatives to hide their ugly beliefs about fellow Americans whom they desperately don't want to vote and to hide their anti democratic goals, they have taken to believing that those Americans they hate and whom they don't want voting are cheaters who are stealing elections.
Here is what Thomas Jefferson wrote about enslaved Africans in his book Notes on the State of Virginia
To our reproach it must be said, that though for a century and a half we have had under our
eyes the races of black and of red men, they have never yet been viewed by us as subjects of natural history. I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind. It is not against experience to suppose, that different species of the same genus, or varieties of the same species, may possess different qualifications.
So because Thomas Jefferson was so smart we must accept his every thought as right and we must live by those words.
You aren't thinking. There are no questions asked to voters about what they know about politics before they vote, so your point is irrelevant. There is no standard for what someone has to know to vote. And there won't be a standard for what a citizen has to know to vote
So it is a terrible reasoning to oppose making registering to vote voting easier on that basis that doesn't have anything to do with actually voting.
It simply confirms my point that conservatives don't want all eligible voters to vote because they don't believe in a representative government that serves the needs of all citizens because they hate millions of their fellow Americans and don't want them voting.
Thomas Jefferson had MANY faults, I admit. He did however know how to govern. So let me be blunt. There are many people on both sides of the aisle who would appreciate it if lazy, uninformed people would stop voting. And that includes some lily white, rich airhead from Harvard who cannot tell you who their Senator is let alone what measures are on the local ballot. Republicans are not the enemy, stupid people are.
Because not allowing registration the day of the vote prevents interested parties from voting?
So suddenly that day, legions of people woke up, never having voted before, and just have to vote today!
Or is turn out low because the people that are registered feel disenfranchised and the rest of the potential eligible voters simply could care less and don't even bother to register?
Same day registration and other reforms allow political scavengers to pick up warm bodies, induce them to vote with misleading words or material incentives and tell them who to vote for. Preventing that alone would be worth the restrictions this reform tries to remove.
If you are interested in the right to vote, you'd first want to ensure eligiibility, so legally cast votes are not invalidated by illegal voters.
Which is a voter registration problem, not a voter ID problem.
But don't let that stop you from wasting millions on useless legislation.
There is proof, occasionally we are allowed to actually investigate it and prosecute it. Voter fraud happens, it happens in every election and sometimes we catch it.
The only group I seek to exclude from voting is the group of people who shouldn't be voting. I don't hate anyone, I hate fraud and ignorance which just happens to be plentiful within the groups of people who claim there is no voter fraud.
No there is no proof of rampant voter fraud. conservatives are in fantasyland ignoring objective reality to justify and hide their ugly beliefs and anti democratic motivates for making it more difficult to vote and register to vote.
conservatives seek to exclude those groups of Americans they hate and whom they desperately don't want voting.
You realize that would disenfranchise most Tea Partiers from voting, using that definition, right?
Hell yes. Aren't you tired of any voter, Democrat or Republican that never bothers to read the ballot beforehand, walks into the booth with hardly any knowledge of who or what they are voting for, cancelling out your vote? You obviously take the time to consider national issues so I assume you do that with local ones as well. Sorry about the rant. I just wish people would take voting responsibly. I know it is a right but it is also a privledge.
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