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If they can take away your air conditioner for the rest of your life, that might be enough climate credit to add another plane to Obama's air armada that he flies to Hawaii each year for vacation.
It isn't the AGW that will cause humanity's extinction, come on. Mammals aren't going to suffer from mere temperature increase. However there are many things that will. The fish we eat. They'll be gone. The plants. We'll have wars over water and access to it. If even one of those wars goes nuclear. Game over. 100 years. But even at 25 years you won't want to wait around for the finale.
Funny thing about the bee's and cancer too, by the way. AGW doesn't have anything to do with them, but, the exact same protocols that would address the one, would also neutralize the other! In other words adopting strict controls on vehicle emissions or by migrating the entire planetary vehicle fleet to electric power would go a long way to slowing AGW' progress AND would have a very positive effect on cancer rates. Two birds with one stone.
I find the science behind AGW compelling and sound. Though I do not believe that AGW will result in the extinction of mankind, I do believe we are leaving a potential environmental calamity for future generations.
I take the old time conservative approach on this issue. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Face problems and deal with them and not leave it for our children to deal with.
Under this new fangled "conservatism" and what passes for "conservatism", it is all about the here and now and a what have you done for me lately attitude.
Yes, I'm with you on the seriousness of AGW.
I find the science behind AGW compelling, but not sound. For instance, the "consensus" climate predictions have been wildly wrong.
I am all for prevention, but you have to at least have an idea of what you are trying to prevent, and have a reason for why you should need to prevent it.
I mean, the only compelling part of global-warming to me, is that humans must have some sort of impact on the climate because we are having a profound impact on the Earth in so many ways. And these changes were happening even before industrialization. For instance, deforestation, putting up dams and creating reservoirs, even creating structures which absorb more of the suns rays or holds in more heat(IE, how cities trap heat).
I remember one person saying that the government should require us all to use white shingles or paint our roofs white to bounce more of the suns rays back into space.
In all honesty, the goals of some of these AGW obsessed people, could only come into fruition if the population of the Earth was reduced to only a few million people, and we lived like primitive tribal people. And I'm not even sure that would make them happy. Because there wouldn't be protections for any "endangered species".
The point is, if global warming is actually a problem, what are the problems? Why are they problems? Can you actually prove that they are problems? If humans didn't exist at all, does that mean the Earth would never change? What responsibility do we have for preventing the Earth from ever changing?
It isn't the AGW that will cause humanity's extinction, come on. Mammals aren't going to suffer from mere temperature increase. However there are many things that will. The fish we eat. They'll be gone. The plants. We'll have wars over water and access to it. If even one of those wars goes nuclear. Game over. 100 years. But even at 25 years you won't want to wait around for the finale.
Funny thing about the bee's and cancer too, by the way. AGW doesn't have anything to do with them, but, the exact same protocols that would address the one, would also neutralize the other! In other words adopting strict controls on vehicle emissions or by migrating the entire planetary vehicle fleet to electric power would go a long way to slowing AGW' progress AND would have a very positive effect on cancer rates. Two birds with one stone.
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Why would water be a problem if all the ice is melting? There will be MORE water and MORE plants therefore MORE food.
Funny thing about the bee's and cancer too, by the way. AGW doesn't have anything to do with them, but, the exact same protocols that would address the one, would also neutralize the other! In other words adopting strict controls on vehicle emissions or by migrating the entire planetary vehicle fleet to electric power would go a long way to slowing AGW' progress AND would have a very positive effect on cancer rates. Two birds with one stone.
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carbon dioxide causes cancer? how odd.
btw, you forgot to explain how bees figure into your fantasy scenario.
The point is, if global warming is actually a problem, what are the problems? Why are they problems? Can you actually prove that they are problems? If humans didn't exist at all, does that mean the Earth would never change? What responsibility do we have for preventing the Earth from ever changing?
How many nails need to pull out of your deck before you get concerned that the thing will fall down some Saturday and kill someone? Maybe several someones. Maybe even someone (several someones) you care about?! LOTS of people have deck failures and nearly all of them had some warning the damn thing was coming apart. We are just so d*amn procrastinatory, its really a problem.
What are the problems... well... um... oranges, limes, grapefruits... anything citrus... they can no longer be grown in America because the climate has changed and promotes the growth of a disease organism. Several variety of wine grape can no longer be grown in regions that they have thrived in for generations. Good Lord, do you need to wait until POTATOES can't grow before you think that there is a problem? OK, FIHE you go wait but you might be altered to the fact that something is really wrong when the fire-fights start breaking out at the food markets. Some of us don't want to wait until then. Can you get your head around that?
I'm no denier, but to say that humans will be extinct in 100 years is way over the top...I know of no science that even hints at this...
well that is one thing we agree on
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm
It isn't the AGW that will cause humanity's extinction, come on. Mammals aren't going to suffer from mere temperature increase. However there are many things that will. The fish we eat. They'll be gone. The plants. We'll have wars over water and access to it. If even one of those wars goes nuclear. Game over. 100 years. But even at 25 years you won't want to wait around for the finale.
Funny thing about the bee's and cancer too, by the way. AGW doesn't have anything to do with them, but, the exact same protocols that would address the one, would also neutralize the other! In other words adopting strict controls on vehicle emissions or by migrating the entire planetary vehicle fleet to electric power would go a long way to slowing AGW' progress AND would have a very positive effect on cancer rates. Two birds with one stone.
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ever hear of desalination plants? california has plans to build 25 of them. florida already has a couple, and there are plans to build a number of them in the middle east as well.
and then there is the farming technology of hydroponics and airponics that produce plenty of food without planting stuff in the ground. and i believe that technology will help the aquatic life as well. of course the problem there isnt pollution but rather over fishing.
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