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I hope this decision by SCOTUS is a countdown to employers simply no longer providing insurance for their employees. Period.
Telling you right now, if I started a business tomorrow, and I had some measure of what each particular job was worth in the market, I'd add the annual cost of a decent health care plan on the individual market to the employee's salary and tell them to go shopping for benefits, here's a little extra salary for saving me the hassle of having HR spend like half their year figuring out your benefits for you.
Sooooooo worth it to simply dump benefits entirely, minus stuff that can be self-managed by the employee. Then nobody has to worry about how not giving something to people for free will be turned into some freaking EEOC lawsuit. Easier to give nothing to anyone besides agreed upon salary.
Most employees with even minimal employer provided coverage have no idea how much of their compensation is tied up in health insurance.
Younger and or single workers cringe and are beginning to pull their ears back at having often not small amounts taken from their wages to pay for health insurance most barely if rarely use. OTOH older, married, female and or employees with children are often large consumers of healthcare thus see the benefits.
For smaller companies it can take only a few employees and or their spouses requiring high usage of insurance that will drive up premiums for everyone else. Indeed many employees remain in positions longer than they should and or are afraid of "moving on" due to current healthcare coverage suiting their needs.
So what happens next when Hobby Lobby or Chick-fil-A decides that they should not be required to provide health care coverage to unwed mothers. According to the Bible having sex out of wedlock is immoral so wouldn't forcing employers to provide coverage for the pregnancy of unwed mothers also violate their religious beliefs?
It's kind of sad when the SCOTUS is making boneheaded decisions and do not foresee the mess they are making. The 'corporations are people, my friend' decision was disastrous and will corrupt political campaigns for decades. Now this.
What mess are they making? Have you read the decision to see how narrowly defined it is?
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This decision concerns only the contraceptive mandate and should not be understood to hold that all insurance coverage mandates dates, e.g., for vaccinations or blood transfusions, must necessarily fall if they conflict with an employer’s religious beliefs. Nor does it provide a shield for employers who might cloak illegal discrimination as a religious practice.
Seems like an ounce of prevention would be wiser than unwanted children becoming a burden to society later. We have the highest teen pregnancy rate of any civilized country, removing birth control doesn't seem like a great idea.
They want to eliminate birth control and they also wish to prevent abortions, seems that those two solutions are in direct conflict.
If you are so worried about "society" why not have all teens tubes tied ?
Over half of Hobby Lobby employees are part time. The majority of HL employees do not make $14 an hour.
$14 for an full time retail work is still better than you're going to get at the vast majority of places. Even the part-time wage is better than what you'll get at Wal-Mart, Safeway, Kroger...etc...just starting out. The reality is that they never have a shortage of applicants for their jobs because they compensate their employees well in comparison to other employers looking for a similar skillset.
So what happens next when Hobby Lobby or Chick-fil-A decides that they should not be required to provide health care coverage to unwed mothers. According to the Bible having sex out of wedlock is immoral so wouldn't forcing employers to provide coverage for the pregnancy of unwed mothers also violate their religious beliefs?
Then they can go to court if they feel like they have a strong enough case since its clear that this decision would not apply to that situation whatsoever.
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This decision concerns only the contraceptive mandate and should not be understood to hold that all insurance coverage mandates dates, e.g., for vaccinations or blood transfusions, must necessarily fall if they conflict with an employer’s religious beliefs. Nor does it provide a shield for employers who might cloak illegal discrimination as a religious practice.
Very, very narrow decision that should have prohibited people from running off on all these wild tangents that I'm seeing.
Amazing isn't it. And, he was appointed by Reagan. All these justices are in their late 70's,
early 80's except Roberts. I am against lifetime appointments too (I know it's in there, but it
should be changed).
IMO, health insurance should not even be in the hands of any employer.
WE should just have a national universal health care system.
If you understood the reasons why the Founders made their appointments "life terms," you probably wouldn't be against it. You need a Constitution course. There are very valid reasons for the lifetime appointments.
The current VA scandal is what we would have with a national universal healthcare system.
The private sector can provide better health care at less cost if we fix some of the problems with the healt insurance industry; sell across state lines, more competition, etc. The problem is that the bureaucrats have had their hands in the insurance business for too many years.
I just spent three days in the hospital last week. The technology is amazing, and it wasn't created by government; it was created by private industry.
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