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Do big corporations actually store their spam files?
Having a policy of deleting spam is a no brainer but we're not talking about retaining spam. Even if you were going to store them too an email with no attachment is going to be about 2 to 10KB and most spam has no attachments.
Assuming 5KB per spam email, 90K employees and 50 spam per employe per day which is more than generous... 22GB per day. Compress it and now you're down to about 3 to 4 GB... It's dollars.
Having a policy of deleting spam is a no brainer but we're not talking about retaining spam. Even if you were going to store them too an email with no attachment is going to be about 2 to 10KB and most spam has no attachments.
Assuming 5KB per spam email, 90K employees and 50 spam per employe per day which is more than generous... 22GB per day. Compress it and now you're down to about 3 to 4 GB... It's dollars.
YOu are missing the point - Every organization has to categorize its mail. That is pretty much a human discretion operation. So disposing of email is a normal and regular procedure.
Your email numbers are well off reality. I get roughly 500 a day and the mean size of the last 25 that came in was just shy of 50Kbytes. My wife who answers things gets twice that number.
So we would be talking about 1/3 of a terabyte per day. Still not terribly large numbers in the days of Terabyte drives. But if you ever need to view them for release? A disaster.
YOu are missing the point - Every organization has to categorize its mail. That is pretty much a human discretion operation. So disposing of email is a normal and regular procedure.
The IRS policy was apparently that emails were not to be used to store "official" documents. All "offical" documents were to be copied and stored as paper. Early on that probably made good sense. But they should have changed over somewhere along the line. But they did not. Do big corporations actually store their spam files?
Here is an exert from the Smithsonian Document Retention & Dispositon Guidelines
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Category 3 – Records of little or no long‐term value (Examples, not all inclusive)
Retain: 0‐30 days or until no longer needed for reference
- Calendars (except for key executives)
- Copies of documents when the holder is not the official record keeper, sender, or
primary addressee
- Copies of publications or other published reference materials
- Drafts, except for mission critical documents, program and policy changes, or
original creative, artistic, and scientific works
- Informational, e.g. holiday closings, charitable drives, notifications of meetings
- Junk and SPAM mail, whether received via e‐mail, fax, or traditional mail
- Messages to/from distribution lists (e.g. ListServs)
- Personal correspondence, e‐mail, text messages, etc.
- Routine requests for information or publications and replies
- Scheduling of work assignments, work‐related trips and visits
- Suspense files or ‘to‐do’ and task lists that serve as a reminder that an action is
required or a reply expected on a given date
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I would think that the IRS has similar document classes. You basically have to do this to avoid being inundated in SPAM. That would suggest there is a sorting process at the IRS or virtually anywhere.
I don't believe the Smithsonian is considered a Federal Agency and therefore is NOT subject to Federal laws.
"The Smithsonian Institution (/smɪθˈsoʊniən/smith-SOE-nee-ən), established in 1846 "for the increase and diffusion of knowledge," is a group of museums and research centers administered by the United States government."
"Finally, on August 10, 1846, President James K. Polk signed the legislation that established the Smithsonian Institution as a trust instrumentality of the United States, to be administered by a Board of Regents and a Secretary of the Smithsonian"
Protection of Government Property—Protection Of Public Records and Documents
"The necessary measure of protection for government documents and records is provided by 18 U.S.C. § 2071. Section 2071(a) contains a broad prohibition against destruction of government records or attempts to destroy such records. This section provides that whoever: willfully and unlawfully; conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates or destroys; or attempts to conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate or destroy; or carries away with intent to conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate or destroy; any record,proceeding, map, book, paper, document or other thing deposited in any public office may be punished by imprisonment for three years, a $2, 000 fine, or both.
I don't believe the Smithsonian is considered a Federal Agency and therefore is NOT subject to Federal laws.
"The Smithsonian Institution (/smɪθˈsoʊniən/smith-SOE-nee-ən), established in 1846 "for the increase and diffusion of knowledge," is a group of museums and research centers administered by the United States government."
"Finally, on August 10, 1846, President James K. Polk signed the legislation that established the Smithsonian Institution as a trust instrumentality of the United States, to be administered by a Board of Regents and a Secretary of the Smithsonian"
Protection of Government Property—Protection Of Public Records and Documents
"The necessary measure of protection for government documents and records is provided by 18 U.S.C. § 2071. Section 2071(a) contains a broad prohibition against destruction of government records or attempts to destroy such records. This section provides that whoever: willfully and unlawfully; conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates or destroys; or attempts to conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate or destroy; or carries away with intent to conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate or destroy; any record,proceeding, map, book, paper, document or other thing deposited in any public office may be punished by imprisonment for three years, a $2, 000 fine, or both.
ALL e-malis on a gov't computer, private e-mails systems are forbidden, are subject to the above federal laws.
The rub of course is what is a record. The def...
"...all books, papers, maps, photographs, machine-readable materials, or other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received by an agency of the U.S. Government under Federal law or in connection with the transaction of public business and preserved or appropriate for preservation by that agency or its legitimate successor as evidence of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, operations, or other activities of the Government or because of the informational value of the data in them." (44 U.S.C. 3301, Definition of Records)
So it is not everything...and discretion is required. Schools out...
Really irrelevant. Its illegal to destroy evidence. The IRS doesn't get to decide what is valid and what isn't.
its amazing that we are now to the point where people will try to defend the destruction of evidence.
One of these two Judges had those emails under a subpoena order - he was very wee-wee'd up to find that they never bothered to say a word about "crash", they just continued to stall the Court.
The IRS will either PROVE to the Court beyond all reasonable doubt that this did indeed happen - OR somebody will go to jail. They can't promise for a year that the emails will be produced and then suddenly say that the hard-drive "crashed", was destroyed and there are no emails.
The Congressional Committees allow that sort of nonsense and the lies to the Committees, but the Courts won't do that. You can bet that there are some very worried folks in the IRS.
So, April Sands who use to work under Lois Lerner is being investigated for illegally campaigning for Obama and partisan attacks against Republicans through her job at the Federal ELECTIONS Commission.
Unfortunately, another coincidence happened...her emails were all lost too. Her hard drive was recycled - and appears to have been recycled without following proper procedure.
The former Lois Lerner underling, April Sands has admitted to breaking the law on lesser counts and resigned, but the lost emails may make it impossible to investigate the bigger laws she was believed to have violated at the FEC.
P.S. On a FEC webcam conference, you know the agency that makes sure elections are fair, she went on describing why republicans were the 'enemy' and used her on the clock time and position to campaign for Obama.
So, April Sands who use to work under Lois Lerner is being investigated for illegally campaigning for Obama and partisan attacks against Republicans through her job at the Federal ELECTIONS Commission.
Unfortunately, another coincidence happened...her emails were all lost too. Her hard drive was recycled - and appears to have been recycled without following proper procedure.
The former Lois Lerner underling, April Sands has admitted to breaking the law on lesser counts and resigned, but the lost emails may make it impossible to investigate the bigger laws she was believed to have violated at the FEC.
P.S. On a FEC webcam conference, you know the agency that makes sure elections are fair, she went on describing why republicans were the 'enemy' and used her on the clock time and position to campaign for Obama.
Corruption?
...not a smidgen!
It's not just the Corruption - it's the Arrogance of it. They are thumbing their nose at Congress, the Courts and the American people. They don't even make any attempt to hide what they are doing any more.
It's not just the Corruption - it's the Arrogance of it. They are thumbing their nose at Congress, the Courts and the American people. They don't even make any attempt to hide what they are doing any more.
They can be arrogant. The mainstream media is hardly covering it and Obamabots are uninformed or willing to assist in the cover up. Rule of law has been lost. We are now a banana republic.
See the Alex Wagner report on Louie Gohmets 1 million bounty for the IRS e-mails. The IRS techs sent out e-mails saying they are unable to get them. Even the forensic Dept. sent an e-mail.
He knew all along that he would never pay that bounty. He knows a sucker bet when he sees it.
Check it out and think about it.
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