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These new voter laws represent an expansion of government control over who votes, is aimed specifically at limiting the number of people who vote, especially groups of Americans that conservatives hate.
These laws show that the core of conservatism is exclusion.
conservatives don't believe in representative government for all Americans, and conservatives truly don't want all Americans to vote because conservatives view millions of their fellow citizens as not real Americans.
How do you know something exists if you don't have the means to prove it exists?
This logic says you can invent any problem you want, claim it exists simply on the merits of your imagination, and then start trying to figure out ways make it magically appear. Oh, and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars "fixing" a problem that you invented.
The exact same can be flipped around and used on you liberals.
How do you know something exists if you don't have the means to prove it exists?
How do you know the millions of forms of racism you all cry foul about actually exist? How is it racist to require a voter ID?
Again, the same...
This logic says you can invent any problem you want, claim it exists simply on the merits of your imagination, and then start trying to figure out ways make it magically appear. Oh, and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars "fixing" a problem that you invented.
Yeah, progressive liberals own those tactics - quit deflecting the facts and stop trying to pin it on conservatives.
The tough task for conservatives is pinning down liberals who stir the crap up and make a big issue of it. We are too busy trying to put out fires started by you guys.
Beginning with the June 3, 2014 primary election, Act 2011-673 requires an Alabama voter to have a specific type of photo identification at the polls in order to vote. If a voter does not have one of the approved forms of photo ID as stated in the law, then he or she may receive a free Alabama photo voter ID from various locations including the Secretary of State's Office, local county board of registrars' offices, and a mobile location to be determined by the Secretary of State's Office.
Just becsue a state charges for the ID doesn't mean you have to pay for it for voting purposes. They are all waving the fees. Pick any state on that list that does have a way to get a free ID.
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The exact same can be flipped around and used on you liberals.
How do you know something exists if you don't have the means to prove it exists?
How do you know the millions of forms of racism you all cry foul about actually exist? How is it racist to require a voter ID?
Again, the same...
This logic says you can invent any problem you want, claim it exists simply on the merits of your imagination, and then start trying to figure out ways make it magically appear. Oh, and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars "fixing" a problem that you invented.
Yeah, progressive liberals own those tactics - quit deflecting the facts and stop trying to pin it on conservatives.
The tough task for conservatives is pinning down liberals who stir the crap up and make a big issue of it. We are too busy trying to put out fires started by you guys.
Conservatives have already indicated that putting voter ID laws into effect will according to their opinion steer an election.
Racism is a bad example and it does exist, putting laws into place that displaces voters in a country that already has an anemic voter turnout is against good judgment, particularly since the amount of detected fraud is microscopic.
Since when do we institute laws in this country because we "might" have a problem.
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Just looking at the first on the list Alabama they will offer a free ID:
Just becsue a state charges for the ID doesn't mean you have to pay for it for voting purposes. They are all waving the fees. Pick any state on that list that does have a way to get a free ID.
As a Resident of Alabama, and someone who is actually involved in politics, i can tell you what you just posted is true, but wrong.
Let me explain. The SoS office gives each county the power to make those ID's but all counties do not offer them, some of the Board of Registrars dont even know what we are talking about when we called them asked them how to get the ID's. but that doesnt get talked about because the simply fact that they are "offered" somewhere in the state is all that seems to matter.
Let me explain. The SoS office gives each county the power to make those ID's but all counties do not offer them, some of the Board of Registrars dont even know what we are talking about when we called them asked them how to get the ID's. but that doesnt get talked about because the simply fact that they are "offered" somewhere in the state is all that seems to matter.
How many lawsuits have been filed becsue the ID's were not available? Seems to me that would be something the ACLU would be all over.
Just looking at the first on the list Alabama offers a free ID:
Just becsue a state charges for the ID doesn't mean you have to pay for it for voting purposes. They are all waving the fees. Pick any state on that list that does have a way to get a free ID.
Let's try and stay on point. A poster claimed most states offer free state ID's, which is a false statement. A few do, but the vast majority do not. Alabama offers a "free" voter ID, but that is not a state ID.
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Considering Oregon is VERY liberal I am NOT surprised and neither should you be.
MOST state issue for FREE and will TRANSPORT you for FREE.
Pretty much every state is going to charge for ID. A state ID is $20 in IL, $15 in TX, $25 in FL, and $20/$32 in GA for 5/8 yrs. Almost no state provides free transport.
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"South Carolina governor offers rides to people who need photo IDs to vote"
"22. What is the cost of an identification card? If you are 17 years of age or older, the identification card is free. (You must be 18 years of age or older to request transportation.)
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How many lawsuits have been filed becsue the ID's were not available? Seems to me that would be something the ACLU would be all over.
Let's try and stay on point. A poster claimed most states offer free state ID's, which is a false statement. A few do, but the vast majority do not. Alabama offers a "free" voter ID, but that is not a state ID.
If we're staying on point then the topic here is voter ID's whether they are state ID's or voting ID's. Charging for the state ID is irrelevant if you can get any free ID that is valid for voting.
Here in PA you could have obtained either for free, matter of fact you had to go through the process for the state ID before they would issue the voting ID.
If we're staying on point then the topic here is voter ID's whether they are state ID's or voting ID's. Charging for the state ID is irrelevant if you can get any free ID that is valid for voting.
Here in PA you could have obtained either for free, matter of fact you had to go through the process for the state ID before they would issue the voting ID.
The point of post #93 was that a tiny minority of states give out free state ID's.
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