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Old 07-17-2014, 11:46 AM
 
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I just heard at least 23 Americans on board.

 
Old 07-17-2014, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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the Ukrainians are animals.... this is exactly why Crimea wanted its freedom from Ukraine
Who knew Putin had an account on city-data!

 
Old 07-17-2014, 11:48 AM
 
Location: USA
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Exactly. So far there's really not much to go on as to who did what.
Yes there is. AP reported seeing a missile defense system in the rebel's control. Two Ukrainian cargo planes were shot down Wednesday and the rebels claimed responsibility.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 11:53 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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More interesting is that Reuters is reporting this as FACT.
'Normal' coverage of aviation disasters usually has several scenarios presented early in the game, then hours, days later if we're lucky we find out what actually happened, sometimes we don't.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 11:53 AM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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I just heard on SkyNews that the plane's flight path shouldn't have taken it over Ukraine.

What's going on with these Malaysia Airlines pilots this year?

Flightaware - Malaysia Airlines Flight #17 - MAS17
 
Old 07-17-2014, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Malaysian Passenger Plane Carrying 295 People Crashes in Ukraine Near Russian Border

The wide debris field certainly suggests it broke up in flight. As if it was struck by a weapon at altitude.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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'Normal' coverage of aviation disasters usually has several scenarios presented early in the game, then hours, days later if we're lucky we find out what actually happened, sometimes we don't.
I've only seen the one view so far on several different MSM sites.
All reporting the same thing in one word or another ..."Ukraine government says Russia shot down plane"

Didn't we just go through this with the Syria crisis ?
The US reported that Assad was responsible for everything and it was shown that plenty of those anti-Assad rebels were doing plenty of infighting among themselves and taking out civilians in the process because they wanted to "own" the towns.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Who knew Putin had an account on city-data!

There seem to be several, funny thing is they are all Cons, which at the same time claim that they are Patriots, maybe we should have been asking what country they were Patriots of. The devil is always in the details. Another site I frequent has several Russians that post there and they are obviously government posters and do not even try and deny it, so if a smaller site has them you can count on some being on a site this size, watch and see who posts on threads concerning the Ukraine and Russia and see what they post, they are easy to spot.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 12:02 PM
 
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Default Why in the world did an airliner fly over a war zone that was not its destination?

This is what I cannot figure out about the airliner shoot-down.

Apparently this was the "normal route" that airplanes take when flying between those two points. But they knew that for the last several days, people in that part of Ukraine, directly under this "normal route", were playing with missiles and shooting down aircraft.

What professional pilot in his right mind would fly over that area in such circumstances?
 
Old 07-17-2014, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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AP reports it was hit by a Buk missile - fairly sophisticated Russian-made SAM. This is not good.

Barack Obama opened his yap and made another "line in the sand" remark and this is what happens. Mind your own business Barry.
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