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Old 08-10-2014, 04:03 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Originally Posted by Justme305 View Post
Egypt simply closed its border, but does not have a siege and blockade against Gaza.....
You may want to re-think and verify your statement.



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Egypt’s
privately-owned Masrawy News Portal, citing unnamed “sovereign sources,”
reported that security forces had succeeded in demolishing smuggling tunnels
between the Gaza Strip and Sinai Peninsula, and were more recently confronting
infiltrators from amongst Gaza’s fishermen involved in smuggling efforts.


Egyptian navy arrests three Gazan fishermen |

Egypt arrests 3 Palestinian fishermen off Gaza coast | Palestine | Worldbulletin News

Egyptian arrested with explosives before attacking Israel | Egypt Independent

Israeli Goods Enter Gaza As Egypt Tightens Siege - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East


 
Old 08-10-2014, 04:10 PM
 
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Who cares who was there longer? The Israelis are there now. The Palestinians are there now. They have to both compromise and work on a two-state solution. The U.S. should stop funding Israel until Israel starts negotiating in good faith.
Or you could look at the fact that it has been the Palestinians who have broken every single peace agreement, not the Israelis. But of course that would require looking at facts rather than going along with whatever is politically correct at the moment, so we all know you won't do that.
 
Old 08-10-2014, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The shelling continues from Gaza and the much more deadly air strikes and shelling continue from Israel.

Why is it demands are only made for the Palestinian side to de-militarize? Why shouldn't Israel have to meet the same criteria?
[When Hamas put down their weapons, there is peace. When Israelis put down their weapons, they're exterminated - Big Difference.]

Americans are so brain-washed that they can't even see how ludicrous and unfair it is for one side to be asked to totally disarm after nearly two thousand of its people have just been slaughtered. We just killed a bunch of you, but throw down your weapons.
Why support Israel and not the Palestinian jihadis?
Simple.
Islam is at war with all kafirs (non-Muslims).

Jihad Deaths (cumulative)
Christians : 60 million
Buddhists : 10 million
Hindus : 80 million
Africans : 120 million
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Total : 270 million

Source : Political Islam
(Not to mention the millions captured, enslaved and abused.)

...
Islamic warriors find it expedient to use their women and children as human shields.
Israeli warriors seek to shield their women and children from Islamic warriors.
...

Hamas = Terrorists = Jihadis

And their Muslim brothers in Iraq are also demonstrating the "Religion of Peace."
Islamic State Killed 500 Yazidis, Buried Some Victims Alive - Iraq
... by ethnic cleansing of the kafirs ...
 
Old 08-10-2014, 04:17 PM
 
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Egypt simply closed its border, but does not have a siege and blockade against Gaza. According to a journalist, Egypt's president Al-Sisi was born to Moroccan Jewish mother. Jewish religious law states that you're Jewish if your mother is Jewish.
Excuse me, but Morsi flushed the Gaza tunnels leading into Egypt with raw sewage. That's right! the leader of the muslim brotherhood, of which hamas is an offshoot, flushed excrement into the Gaza tunnels completely destroying them. WHY YOU ASK? they were using them to murder Egyptian soldiers.

They did the same thing in Jordan in 1970, which is why King Hussein of Jordan massacred 20,000 Palestinians in 1 month. Palestinians seems to excel at biting the hands that feed them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/21/wo...wage.html?_r=0

Foul sewage flooding raises Palestinian ire - Features - Al Jazeera English
 
Old 08-10-2014, 05:51 PM
 
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The shelling continues from Gaza and the much more deadly air strikes and shelling continue from Israel.

Why is it demands are only made for the Palestinian side to de-militarize? Why shouldn't Israel have to meet the same criteria?

Americans are so brain-washed that they can't even see how ludicrous and unfair it is for one side to be asked to totally disarm after nearly two thousand of its people have just been slaughtered. We just killed a bunch of you, but throw down your weapons.
No, actually. We aren't brainwashed. We just don't go for your moronic rhetoric. The shelling started in the first place because the side you have so much sympathy for was launching rockets into Israel. Of course, you leave that out, just as all liberals do. They always characterize the conflict as a mutual one. It isn't. Israel did not attack until it was first attacked. That's called self defense. You know, the same self defense that you are such a fan of when it comes to a woman killing her abusive husband.

Yes, when Side A starts launching rockets at Side B, and then Side B begins to wipe the floor with Side A, then Side A is expected to disarm. That's how war works to rational people. If you attack someone and lose, you are expected to stand down. You don't get treated as an equal party.

Remember how you felt when the discussions were going about wife beaters? Remember how your argument was that if a man beats a woman than that man no longer deserves his constitutional rights? Well, just apply your own logic here. Hamas is the abusive man. Israel is the victimized woman who struck back. You would never in a million billion years ask a woman who was attacked to stop defending herself and say that the man who attacked her should be allowed to keep the gun he was shooting at her.
 
Old 08-11-2014, 08:33 AM
 
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This is how Hamas acts during war:
Exclusive: New Details Surface in Hamas Murder of IDF Soldier Hadar Goldin

So how can anyone expect Israel to believe that Hamas will be different if Israel gives in to all of their demands?
 
Old 08-11-2014, 09:04 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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When folks really want peace, they negotiate with the enemies they have, not the ones they 'choose'. Everything else is just "excuses".
 
Old 08-11-2014, 09:32 AM
 
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When folks really want peace, they negotiate with the enemies they have, not the ones they 'choose'. Everything else is just "excuses".
Well if you are talking about Hamas, then yes they have "excuses". Here is a good article explaining the current situation: The 20 Oddest Things People Actually Claim to Believe about the Hamas/Israel Conflict
 
Old 08-11-2014, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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We all wish to live in peace, but to some, "peace" does not mean what we think it means.
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MUSLIM PEACE TRAIN
-or-
What Happened to Cat Stevens

Yusuf Islam (aka Cat Stevens), accused of backing Salman Rusdie fatwah, appears at DC 'Rally to Restore Sanity' – Telegraph Blogs
Cat Stevens wanted me dead

However much Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam may wish to rewrite his past, he was neither misunderstood nor misquoted over his views on the Khomeini fatwa against The Satanic Verses (Seven, April 29). In an article in The New York Times on May 22, 1989, Craig R Whitney reported Stevens/Islam saying on a British television programme "that rather than go to a demonstration to burn an effigy of the author Salman Rushdie, 'I would have hoped that it'd be the real thing'."

He added that "if Mr Rushdie turned up at his doorstep looking for help, 'I might ring somebody who might do more damage to him than he would like. I'd try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him exactly where this man is'."

In a subsequent interview with The New York Times, Mr Whitney added, Stevens/Islam, who had seen a preview of the programme, said that he "stood by his comments".

Let's have no more rubbish about how "green" and innocent this man was.

- - - Salman Rushdie, New York
....
Political Islam // Articles // Sharia Law for Non-Muslims Chapter 5-The Kafir
The Koran says that the Kafir may be deceived, plotted against, hated, enslaved, mocked, tortured and worse. The word is usually translated as "unbeliever" but this translation is wrong. The word "unbeliever" is logically and emotionally neutral, whereas, Kafir is the most abusive, prejudiced and hateful word in any language.

There are many religious names for Kafirs: polytheists, idolaters, People of the Book (Christians and Jews), Buddhists, atheists, agnostics, and pagans. Kafir covers them all, because no matter what the religious name is, they can all be treated the same. What Mohammed said and did to polytheists can be done to any other category of Kafir.
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Political Islam // Articles // When The Jihad Comes, Whose Side Will You Be On?
Muslims have two loyalties: religious and political. Americans are loyal only to the constitution. America has no state religion to adhere to. But Islam has both. True Muslims must be loyal to the political act of jihad as well as to the religion of Islam. Islam is a religion as well as a military organization. This is not an opinion, but the decree of Mohammed:
“My brother and I came to the Prophet and I requested him to take the pledge of allegiance from us for migration. He said, "Migration has passed away with its people." I asked, "For what will you take the pledge of allegiance from us then?" He (Mohammed) said, "I will take (the pledge) for Islam and JIHAD." – (Bukhari 4,52,208)
Mohammed says allegiance to Islam includes the political act of jihad. Jihad is holy fighting against the Kafirs; it is the personal duty of every Muslim. If a Muslim does not participate in jihad, he will die a ‘hypocrite’ and burn in hell. Mohammed is the authority on Islam.
As Khomeini said, "America is the Great Satan." (to all Muslims)
As a non-Islamic nation, disobedient to Sharia, America is Kafir.

Ask a moderate / peaceful Muslim to publicly DENOUNCE the jihadis who indiscriminately kill Kafirs, here and abroad.
[crickets chirping]
 
Old 08-11-2014, 05:26 PM
 
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Rabbi Lior: Jewish law permits destruction of Gaza to bring safety to Israel | JPost | Israel News
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