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Old 08-11-2014, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by OICU812 View Post
Nah, pulling all of our troops out of Iraq, "not in six month but now" was only his constantly repeated campaign promise.

So what is he trying to claim now, that Bush forced Obama to fulfill his own freaking campaign promise???
It went from right away (you can take that to the bank) to 16 months then to 30 months.
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Old 08-11-2014, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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That's too bad. I really wish Obama would have just said that he'd made a mistake with his decision in Iraq. JFK did it on the Bay of Pigs and people didn't hate him; Obama has the same cariama. He'd almost surely get away with it. Even the moderates on the right may be inlined to show willingness to revolve the issue with him if he'd just own up to it. Sure, the farther right, the more they disagree anyway, but that's how modern politics works.

But if it wasn't his decision, who's was it? I'm confused. The President his the commander in chief. Who issued the order if it wasn't him?
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Old 08-11-2014, 07:22 AM
 
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When he was a Senator he was against intervention but once he became King that all changed. He can't be trusted.

A previous statement made by President Obama back in 2007, when he was a Senator and presidential candidate. In an interview to the Boston Globe, then-Senator Obama said:
"The president does not have the power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation. History has shown us time and again ... that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the legislative branch."
Yes. Obama, the Pathological Liar, changed his position on that once in power on Syria, Libya, Yemen, and Somalia...

We are, after all, talking about a man who lied about how his mom died to score political points and continued the lie even after being caught in it. We are talking about a man who knows nothing when confronted with anything difficult. A man that as Hillary said takes no responsibility for anything -- when cornered on a controversial vote he merely says that he accidentally voted the wrong way by hitting the wrong button and didn't notice the screen indicating his wrong vote -- 6 different times.

St. Pete for Peace - Obama fact sheet

‘The Road We’ve Traveled:’ A misleading account of Obama’s mother and her insurance dispute - The Washington Post

‘The Road We’ve Traveled:’ A misleading account of Obama’s mother and her insurance dispute - The Washington Post
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Old 08-11-2014, 07:25 AM
 
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The conservatives make me laugh.

If Obama follows the agreement, he's only following a timetable that was already laid out but he mustn't blame Bush.

If he breaks the agreement, he's got no foreign policy.

If he takes the troops out, he's a loser, throwing away our troops' sacrifice.

If he leaves them in place, he's no hero and the war is now his fault.

If he bombs some positions in Iraq to knock back ISIS, he's being forced into it.

If he bombs some positions to help in a humanitarian crisis, he's endangering American lives.

And song remains the same.
Dear sheep.......

Obama campaigned in 2008 on ending the war by bringing the troops home...

Obama campaigned in 2012 on having successfully ended the war by bringing the troops home...

Now that it has gone to crap he is literally blaming the bringing of the troops home on Bush's agreement that existed before his first election.

Why can't you just admit that Obama is being disingenuous here. He takes credit when times are good for pulling the troops out and he passes the buck and dodges responsibility when it goes bad. I don't care if you think he is hot. He is being disingenuous and it not only happened on his watch he tried to get votes with it, we must hold our elected politicians accountable.
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Old 08-11-2014, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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Why would any one stick up for Obama taking two sides on the same issue, it is really pathetic.
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Old 08-11-2014, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Why would any one stick up for Obama taking two sides on the same issue, it is really pathetic.
Keep people dumb and dependent and you can say whatever you want.
The majority of Americans just don't care enough.

All the MSM and other news sites are all over this about his flip flop.
But he's gotten away with it since he started campaigning in 2007.
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Old 08-11-2014, 07:49 AM
 
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Why would any one stick up for Obama taking two sides on the same issue, it is really pathetic.
Because we are officially a Banana Republic. Party over rule of law, massive debt is okay, no border for votes, a media that isn't a watchdog, but rather a protector of one party over the other, etc...

It is okay for Obama to be dishonest. Party Demigods over substance and reality. The cult's emotional love for Obama blocks any rational thought on the topic for the true believers.
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Old 08-11-2014, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That's too bad. I really wish Obama would have just said that he'd made a mistake with his decision in Iraq. JFK did it on the Bay of Pigs and people didn't hate him; Obama has the same cariama. He'd almost surely get away with it. Even the moderates on the right may be inlined to show willingness to revolve the issue with him if he'd just own up to it. Sure, the farther right, the more they disagree anyway, but that's how modern politics works.

But if it wasn't his decision, who's was it? I'm confused. The President his the commander in chief. Who issued the order if it wasn't him?
Obama is no JFK, not by a long shot.

He's a narcissist who can never be in the wrong.
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Old 08-11-2014, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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That's too bad. I really wish Obama would have just said that he'd made a mistake with his decision in Iraq. JFK did it on the Bay of Pigs and people didn't hate him; Obama has the same cariama. He'd almost surely get away with it. Even the moderates on the right may be inlined to show willingness to revolve the issue with him if he'd just own up to it. Sure, the farther right, the more they disagree anyway, but that's how modern politics works.

But if it wasn't his decision, who's was it? I'm confused. The President his the commander in chief. Who issued the order if it wasn't him?
It was Iraq's decision. That is what is explained in the article and is clear from his remark when read in context. To paraphrase, he said that Iraq wanted US troops out and now is living with the consequences of that decision. He is right on that count. His remark is in no way reflecting any regrets or misgivings about leaving. It was the right thing to do regardless regardless of Iraq's desires. It was strongly supported by the people then and it still is. Get out, stay out. Obama did the right thing.
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Old 08-11-2014, 08:00 AM
 
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You have to negotiate those things, not just walk out after the first proposal. We negotiated with Germany for months over SOFA the last time around. Obama just wanted an excuse.
When Obama runs his presidential campaign by bombastically repeating his intention to pull all our troops out NOW, and then after being elected he negotiates exactly that, you have to assume Obama was doing exactly what he had intended to do all along. Even during his reelection campaign he pounded his chest on keeping hs campaign promise to pull all our troops out.

Let's see what was said back in 2011:

Obama Announces Complete Drawdown of U.S. Troops From Iraq by Year’s End

“Today, I can report that as promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year,” the president said. “After nine years, America’s war in Iraq will be over.”

Obama: Iraq war will be over by year's end; troops coming home - CNN.com

The president said he was making good on his 2008 campaign pledge to end a war that has divided the nation since it began in 2003

How did Republicans and our generals on the ground react?

"Today marks a harmful and sad setback for the United States in the world,"
said McCain, an Arizona Republican who faced off against Obama in the 2008 presidential election. "This decision will be viewed as a strategic victory for our enemies in the Middle East, especially the Iranian regime, which has worked relentlessly to ensure a full withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq."

Gen. Lloyd J. Austin III, commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, has said that Iraq wouldn't be able to defend its borders if U.S. troops pulled out and also questioned Iraqi forces ability to defend its airspace. But Panetta, en route to Indonesia, said history shows that Iraq will be ready
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