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In reality, the Constitution is no longer in effect. The government of the people has been subverted and replaced by a fascist regime in which corporations and government are the rulers and the people are but peasants and serfs.
On occasion, the government will abide by the Constitution for media publication to propagandize the public, by in every practical sense, the Constitution is null and void and no longer abided to by the government.
If it were in effect, you would be able to possess and bear arms, the police would not be able to violate your rights, the court systems would not fly military flags, the government would not be able to pursue war for profit, the Federal Reserve could not exist, the income tax could not exist, laws concerning drugs, prostitution, marriage, asset forfeiture, healthcare, and most other aspects of your personal life could not exist.
The fact that all these things do exist, is proof that the Constitution is no longer in effect.
In reality, the Constitution is no longer in effect. The government of the people has been subverted and replaced by a fascist regime in which corporations and government are the rulers and the people are but peasants and serfs.
Ah, the freeman on the land **** where the government is a corporation...like number uc2279443 because of a post on some forum (originally British). This isn't reality and has been tried for decades to the laughter of normal people. The person in question just makes the claim stating they don't need to follow the nations laws. It just results in the increase in prison populations.
I encourage it if people are that stupid.
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On occasion, the government will abide by the Constitution for media publication to propagandize the public, by in every practical sense, the Constitution is null and void and no longer abided to by the government.
For photo ops the government will abide by it, but in secret when no one is looking it violates it because conspiracies without proof. Got it. There are individuals that have done so and gone to jail for doing so. Which is why the legal system exists to make sure those laws are not subverted by people breaking the law.
The government is made of of individuals that act both good or bad. It isn't some hive mind monolithic conspiracy run by the fed, or corporations, or the lizard people, or the illuminati....
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If it were in effect, you would be able to possess and bear arms, the police would not be able to violate your rights, the court systems would not fly military flags, the government would not be able to pursue war for profit, the Federal Reserve could not exist, the income tax could not exist, laws concerning drugs, prostitution, marriage, asset forfeiture, healthcare, and most other aspects of your personal life could not exist.
There's a little truth to that with police violating rights without punishment and wars for the profit of companies. We allow too much money into politics as "speech." There's nothing about limiting money in politics in the constitution and we have, as a people, turned more of a blind eye than we should. We should find the appropriate laws to stop that. We give the police lighter sentences than happen, with less review, and that should also be corrected.
Doesn't mean the constitution isn't in force, just that it's something that didn't exist when it was written and needs addressing. It's like saying the constitution isn't followed because it wasn't written to take into account computer technology. It's a non-sequitor.
As for flying military flags that is false (soverign citizen nonsense), that government wouldn't pursue health care (makes no sense), income tax exists (been legal over many challenges), and we have the right to bear arms. You seem to be just rattling **** off you are mad about and saying they are not right because "the constitution." Soverign citizens try this all the time and the best they get from a legal ruling is "complete gibberish," while the worst is extended jail time.
Just to add: Kent Hovind was a great example of what happens when you try it. After a decade of the IRS trying to get him to pay taxes (as everyone else footed his bill for public services), explaining very carefully why, he started spewing this crap. He went to court stating he had no idea why he was there and asked for a dismissal based on "subornation of false muster"...that he said he was there for roll call in the military when he wasn't. This was his only defense. Ending up in the court laughing so hard they had to take a recess and landing him more than a decade in jail. So try it.
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The fact that all these things do exist, is proof that the Constitution is no longer in effect.
They do exist, but a vast majority of these issues related to them only exist in the heads of wackjobs that need a life.
Perfectly fine to waste their lives spewing nonsense (free speech) as long as they don't start shooting people because they are angry losers.
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The Constitution is alive and well. It is a "living" document; and it speaks to us every day through the federal judiciary. Listen up - you might learn something.
The Constitution is alive and well. It is a "living" document; and it speaks to us every day through the federal judiciary. Listen up - you might learn something.
The Constitution is certainly a "living document" - it is alive and well today - and, as I said, it speaks to us every day through the federal judiciary. It lives in pace with the times; and ‘"that the earth belongs in usufruct to the living": that the dead have neither powers nor rights over it.’ See "Popular Basis of Political Authority" Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Papers 15:392-97 (6 Sept. 1789). It continues to sustain our nation of laws because its provisions are flexible enough to survive change, while yet preserving the spirit as well as the letter of the laws that govern us. Were it otherwise, our nation under law would have dissolved long ago.
Ah, the freeman on the land **** where the government is a corporation...like number uc2279443 because of a post on some forum (originally British). This isn't reality and has been tried for decades to the laughter of normal people. The person in question just makes the claim stating they don't need to follow the nations laws. It just results in the increase in prison populations.
Why are you trying to change the subject?
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For photo ops the government will abide by it, but in secret when no one is looking it violates it because conspiracies without proof.
We know it happens, because they do it brazenly, openly, and to your applause.
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Got it. There are individuals that have done so and gone to jail for doing so. Which is why the legal system exists to make sure those laws are not subverted by people breaking the law.
The legal system exists to SUBVERT the law.
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The government is made of of individuals that act both good or bad. It isn't some hive mind monolithic conspiracy run by the fed, or corporations, or the lizard people, or the illuminati....
LOL, power does the same thing to everyone in government - corrupts them.
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There's a little truth to that with police violating rights without punishment and wars for the profit of companies.
But you don't object when my rights are violated to enable your claim of being better than me.
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We allow too much money into politics as "speech."
Explain this. Seriously. Tell me how this works. I want to know how restricting money is NOT limiting the ability to say what you want to say to whom you wish to say it to.
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There's nothing about limiting money in politics in the constitution and we have, as a people, turned more of a blind eye than we should. We should find the appropriate laws to stop that. We give the police lighter sentences than happen, with less review, and that should also be corrected.
The government IS NEVER capable of limiting speech or money. It is corrupt, by nature, and giving it such powers will further and promote such corruption.
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Doesn't mean the constitution isn't in force, just that it's something that didn't exist when it was written and needs addressing. It's like saying the constitution isn't followed because it wasn't written to take into account computer technology. It's a non-sequitor.
The Constitution has not been officially declared "no longer in force", but nobody in power obeys it. So, if nobody is obeying it, has it any force?
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Just to add: Kent Hovind was a great example of what happens when you try it. After a decade of the IRS trying to get him to pay taxes (as everyone else footed his bill for public services), explaining very carefully why, he started spewing this crap. He went to court stating he had no idea why he was there and asked for a dismissal based on "subornation of false muster"...that he said he was there for roll call in the military when he wasn't. This was his only defense. Ending up in the court laughing so hard they had to take a recess and landing him more than a decade in jail. So try it.
You liberals rave about victimless crimes... Yet, you applaud people going to jail for not paying taxes - the ultimate victimless crime.
The constitution has been null and void since Lincoln invaded the south and replaced "States rights" with over riding centralized, Federal government power. The way the United States operates does not reflect the constitution in the least way!!!!! Your Supreme court, who's primary function is to uphold the constitution has become nothing more than a partisan hack, political kangaroo court that rules according to political positions and completely ignores the constitution.
You shall soon see what happens when jurisdiction of the federal courts is denied to Speaker John Boehner, who is attempting to "play politics" with the judiciary.
The Constitution is certainly a "living document" - it is alive and well today - and, as I said, it speaks to us every day through the federal judiciary. It lives in pace with the times; and ‘"that the earth belongs in usufruct to the living": that the dead have neither powers nor rights over it.’ See "Popular Basis of Political Authority" Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Papers 15:392-97 (6 Sept. 1789). It continues to sustain our nation of laws because its provisions are flexible enough to survive change, while yet preserving the spirit as well as the letter of the laws that govern us. Were it otherwise, our nation under law would have dissolved long ago.
It did dissolve long ago.
Our government no longer respects ANY law. Neither that which is superior to it, nor that which it writes.
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