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Old 08-29-2014, 12:27 PM
 
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Remember the heady days when a pro-ACA thread would go wild within minutes of being posted? Seems our Conservative friends here on C-D have abandoned the Repeal! Defund! We must end Obamacare now! mantra.

My guess is that a number of them are reaping the benefits of the Act and no longer want to see it repealed. And the rest have realized that the sky didn't fall and the only death panels in evidence are the ones the GOP has created in states where they refuse to expand Medicaid.

I recall Cruz saying last October, as he was orchestrating the government shutdown, that if the ACA was allowed to be implemented, it was all over. And he was right.

Even the GOP knows it. You rarely hear it brought up any more by the right these days. Though for Corbett, it's too little, too late.
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Old 08-29-2014, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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It's just good policy and the hospitals in those states are begging for it to happen as it means the problem of uninsured people not being able to pay their bills virtually disappears. This is why rates are dropping in most states which did expand medicaid. It's mainly going up only in Republican controlled states which refused to take the free (to the state) Medicaid expansion which the Feds have agreed to pay for.
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Old 08-29-2014, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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"The agreement means that Pennsylvania joins 26 other states and the District of Columbia in expanding Medicaid.

Medicaid coverage for Pennsylvania adults earning below 133 percent of the federal poverty line, or about $15,500, will begin in January."


Pennsylvania’s Republican governor expands Medicaid - The Washington Post

I guess denying health coverage to millions of eligible Americans isn't the winning strategy it used to be for the GOP. Being down by double digits in the polls was probably a big motivator for Corbett to get this done now.
It is not a winning strategy. It's about time the GOP got on "free handouts" train that has given Democrats an electoral advantage.
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Old 08-29-2014, 01:24 PM
 
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God forbid any one of you fall on hardships and need some help. We should be helping our own citizens. God knows we sure as heck help everyone else! We spend trillions and borrow from China to build roads, schools and hospitals in countries who hate us. While our own Vets suffer. Time to HELP OUR OWN!
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Old 08-29-2014, 04:32 PM
 
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I think conservatives are asking, How we gonna pay for expanded Medicaid when the federal funding drops off? Even prior to Obamacare, many states' budgets were getting destroyed by their state Medicaid spending.
Who cares what they are asking? It is an illogical question.

If affordability is the thing, then conservatives should have relished the idea of the federal government taking away federal funding if they didn't further expand Medicaid. This would have allowed conservatives to destroy Medicaid in the states they lead.


But again that's not what conservatives did. Instead conservatives in front of the Supreme Court fought hard to keep Medicaid funding. Going so far as to say taking that funding away was an undue burden.


Don't you see the conservative conundrum, you can't credibly say you are worried about the affordability of Medicaid while fighting to keep Medicaid funding when you have a chance to get rid of it.


The conservative position on Medicaid expansion is irrational and makes no sense.
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Old 08-29-2014, 06:49 PM
 
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Who cares what they are asking? It is an illogical question.

If affordability is the thing, then conservatives should have relished the idea of the federal government taking away federal funding if they didn't further expand Medicaid. This would have allowed conservatives to destroy Medicaid in the states they lead.


But again that's not what conservatives did. Instead conservatives in front of the Supreme Court fought hard to keep Medicaid funding. Going so far as to say taking that funding away was an undue burden.


Don't you see the conservative conundrum, you can't credibly say you are worried about the affordability of Medicaid while fighting to keep Medicaid funding when you have a chance to get rid of it.


The conservative position on Medicaid expansion is irrational and makes no sense.
Why destroy something you count on for funding? Obviously, they did not like how this was setup or had concerns over the financial implications. The implementation was very rushed, which has caused many problems. The tendency for fed govt programs is to continue growing, so that is the likely outcome.
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Old 08-29-2014, 06:52 PM
 
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It's just good policy and the hospitals in those states are begging for it to happen as it means the problem of uninsured people not being able to pay their bills virtually disappears. This is why rates are dropping in most states which did expand medicaid. It's mainly going up only in Republican controlled states which refused to take the free (to the state) Medicaid expansion which the Feds have agreed to pay for.
I think the long-term implications are the bigger concern than the short-term.
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Old 08-29-2014, 07:12 PM
 
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While the rates of uninsured people are dropping nationwide due to the law requiring people to be insured, the actual premium rates are increasing and will continue to increase. One of the concerns, which is not just from one party, is the long term costs to the individual state with the expanded Medicaid. Be that as it may, in order to help the people comply with the law and become insured, I see states accepting the Medicaid expansion.

Obamacare's Death of a Thousand Rate Hikes - Forbes

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It's just good policy and the hospitals in those states are begging for it to happen as it means the problem of uninsured people not being able to pay their bills virtually disappears. This is why rates are dropping in most states which did expand medicaid. It's mainly going up only in Republican controlled states which refused to take the free (to the state) Medicaid expansion which the Feds have agreed to pay for.
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Old 08-30-2014, 07:04 AM
 
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I guess denying health coverage to millions of eligible Americans isn't the winning strategy it used to be for the GOP. Being down by double digits in the polls was probably a big motivator for Corbett to get this done now.
He's been pushing for this since Obamacare became law. He's going to look like a genius when the feds pull the rug out from under the other states in 20 years.
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Old 08-30-2014, 07:08 AM
 
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Is this another failed courageous attempt that they will display in front of their voters...
This is not the same expansion accepted by other states.
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