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Why is everyone so obsessed with what other people make?
Defining job titles and wages for others is absurd.
Because knowing what other people make lets you look down on them, which makes conservatives sleep better at night.
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Well, FLSA sets the standard of a minimum wage, not a living wage, learn the difference between the two.
They are synonymous. There is no shred of evidence that suggests otherwise.
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If someone is working and earning a wage, then they can eat. The fact you are trying to proclaim they cannot is asinine. What you are doing, is what you seem to be rather good at, is avoiding certain truths, mixing in your conjecture and baking it in the oven for 45 minutes and serving it up.
Now, can these people eat, afford a home, utilities, transportation, insurance, other mouths to feed on this wage? Likely not, but guess what, these jobs where not intended to do such.
Says who? Currently, minimum wage and full time will get you welfare and section 8. Was minimum wage designed to do that?
These people are working.
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These are entry level jobs, menial labor; most of them don't even require that you have a high school diploma, they require no skill, your competitive market is illegal immigrants and technological advancements that will eliminate you from the work force completely.
....and you will have to pay for their welfare.
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You claim we NEED burger flippers? Really? How so? Much of the Fast Food industry has already introduced automated aspects into their production. Look at the trends Europe is setting in this industry. Go ahead, that is your future, there isn't one. Look up Smart Restaurant from San Francisco; these things are real, they are happening.
Besides that point, Fast Food is a luxury, not a necessity, so no, we don't NEED burger flippers; YOU need burgers to flip it would seem, there is a difference.
You also seem to think this will be a cure for welfare cases, I think you will be disappointed, I pointed out in another thread you started, a thread you abandoned after all your baseless arguments wilted up and died, that the surrounding job markets would be both directly and indirectly impacted by this careless wage hike. You will be essentially interjecting low skilled work force into the pay scale of the skilled labor force. There are numerous jobs that pay the 15 dollar range that are NEEDED, that are ESSENTIAL and that are VITAL to this country; these workers are either educated, wither it be college or trade school, or highly trained and experienced.
These jobs are often demanding, potentially high risk low reward, and other then the pay may not be that appealing ( obviously not in every case)
Now why would these workers willing continue to work in their industry that is more demanding when they could do less and get paid the same amount for flipping burgers?
All that is fine and dandy, but you are missing the point. Every person you displace from the workforce is going to be put on welfare. Every person you let slip into poverty will a recipient of welfare spending. What is so hard to understand?
You can either get over your ideology, or increase the amount of welfare you have to pay for these people who don't have jobs (or the money / motivation to get training).
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Furthermore, if a manager had to choose between his typical batch of applicants ( high school dropouts, felons, teenagers, weekend warriors) and educated proven workers, who do you think he will hire?
I also find it ironic that the only focus is on the major corporations, because the accepted notion is "they can afford it" , but yet the thousands of small business that are hanging on by a string that pay their employees 8,9, or 10 dollars an hour. How will they fair? Any idea on how they will weather the storm? Or do you even care?
It doesn't seem like that is ever mentioned, it is just McDonalds, Walmart, BIG BUSINESS.
I have no problems with small business.. but your government sure does. Your government actually prefers big business over small business. It will continue to institute policy to subsidize big business. You are subsidizing big business. McDonalds and Walmart are paying their shareholders profits that should be going into the economy through labor. You are picking up the welfare tab for their employees.
When you try to regulate that by forcing trades or controlling them, it ceases to be a market and becomes a regime of slavery by some for the benefit of others.
The voluntary trade of goods and services between individuals.
When you try to regulate that by forcing trades or controlling them, it ceases to be a market and becomes a regime of slavery by some for the benefit of others.
No, when the lack of regulations allows capitalists to use their leverage to force people to accept jobs working for miniscule wages that don't permit them to escape poverty, that is slavery. When you establish rules and regulations to govern the interactions between people, that is called a society.
When you try to regulate that by forcing trades or controlling them, it ceases to be a market and becomes a regime of slavery by some for the benefit of others.
Our market is anything but free.
Our "market" openly favors corporations over small businesses, citizens, and labor.
Like I stated before spin this any way you want to, raising the minimum wage just to be politically correct and help all those poor helpless people who can't find anything better than a minimum wage job to have a better life isn't going to work.
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