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Old 12-28-2007, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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SUVs are a great example of market forces NOT being allowed to work. They have been subsidized from the beginning (as trucks, not cars, and giving businesses that buy them a tax break). They also are gas-guzzlers and unsafe to use as a commuter vehicle on freeways.
Really? Unsafe? Gas Guzzlers?

At what gas mileage are you saying they are "gas guzzlers" for instance?
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Old 12-28-2007, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Do your own research. I'm not going to argue with you. The Feds are raising mileage standards again. Why would they do that?
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Old 12-28-2007, 12:16 PM
 
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I totally expect over the next 25-30 years the population of the larger cities and their suburbs currently considered crime infested husks to deplete to historic lows as people flee to other "safer" cities with lower costs of living where they can purchase a home or condo right next to work.
Or the exact opposite may come to pass. In DC, it has been the case for a decade or more that people are flocking into those very crime-infested inner city wastelands and turning them into upscale havens of beautifully restored architecture and smart-growth modern development. This isn't much help to the poor who had been living in those neighborhoods, but as life with zero or very limited use of cars is entirely possible in such areas, they may end up being a lot more attractive going forward than what one might think.

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We NEED these horrible spikes in gas prices to help us get to a more sustainable culture. And that includes a lot more than new light bulbs, higher fuel efficiency, and smaller cars, it requires a fundamental rethinking in how we as Americans live, work, and play.
No, we would have been better off without the spikes, achieving the same (or even greater) overall increase in pump prices via a smooth and predictable process. Plans for using the federal excise tax on gasoline to drive just such a process were being developed 30 years ago. But Reagan junked them all. New morning in America and all that...
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Old 12-28-2007, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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10 to 15 mpg (Lincoln Navigators, Hummers, etc.) is a gas guzzler. This is news to some of us on this board?

And some on this board don't read the results of the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety rollover tests.

What is it that those folks use the Internet for, anyway, to read FOX NEWS and World News Daily all day?
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Old 12-28-2007, 12:18 PM
 
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What about us poor people out here in the snow belt? (And PLEASE don't say huskies. The darn things eat a horse a day...)
Golf carts with chains?
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Old 12-28-2007, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Do your own research. I'm not going to argue with you. The Feds are raising mileage standards again. Why would they do that?
Doesn't matter what the fed say - I'm asking you - the person who has indicated that all SUV's are "gas guzzlers" - YOU said it

Let me give you an example - I own an SUV (actually 2) - both are Volvo XC90's. In town we get right about 25MPG - highway right around 29MPG. Would you consider these "gas guzzlers" by your standards?
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Old 12-28-2007, 12:21 PM
 
Location: America
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why do you say its a farce?
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Ethanol as we know it today is a farce. Maybe if it can be procuced using engineered bacteria from garbage, but not now. Diesel from algae is a much more likely scenario.
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Old 12-28-2007, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Doesn't matter what the fed say - I'm asking you - the person who has indicated that all SUV's are "gas guzzlers" - YOU said it

Let me give you an example - I own an SUV (actually 2) - both are Volvo XC90's. In town we get right about 25MPG - highway right around 29MPG. Would you consider these "gas guzzlers" by your standards?

Hey, help us out here, what's the market share of Volvo SUVs? hahahaha

Volvo is a liberal's car anyway? Didn't you get the memo? hahahaha
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Old 12-28-2007, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Hey, help us out here, what's the market share of Volvo SUVs?
Hey - you stereotyped all SUV's Bubba - not I

You indicated ALL were gas guzzlers. All were unsafe. All were unsafe to be driven on the highways
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Old 12-28-2007, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Hey, help us out here, what's the market share of Volvo SUVs? hahahaha

Volvo is a liberal's car anyway? Didn't you get the memo?
Really? Most call me a neo-conservative
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