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Old 09-25-2014, 09:58 PM
 
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Science has predicted major changes in weather patterns....Some areas will be drier, but most of the globe will be wetter.....Judging from the graphs you posted they are spot on.

Wet Get Wetter & Dry Get Dryer: Climate Change Story | Video
You just denied above that you're arguing that any/all change is proof of global warming.

And now you are arguing that precise lie.
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Old 09-26-2014, 05:30 AM
 
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Science has predicted major changes in weather patterns....

Of course California's precip changes are related to Pacific Decadal Oscillations...

http://images.nationalgeographic.com...1392242107.jpg
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...e-pdo-climate/


Really no change in California's precip trends over the last 100+ years..

http://i62.tinypic.com/34ss4ll.jpg

The United States as a whole

http://i57.tinypic.com/2uoqago.jpg


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Some areas will be drier, but most of the globe will be wetter.....Judging from the graphs you posted they are spot on.

Wet Get Wetter & Dry Get Dryer: Climate Change Story | Video
Depends on the study and depends on the climate models

This study suggests that the entire Central US show be well on it's way to a perma-drought.

http://i62.tinypic.com/wqppmp.jpg

Drought under global warming: a review - Dai - 2010 - Wiley Interdisciplinary Reviews: Climate Change - Wiley Online Library


And with all the Co2 emissions spewed into the atmosphere over the last 60 years...

Little change in global drought over the past 60 years

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Old 09-26-2014, 08:03 AM
 
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Atmospheric pressure systems create strong winds along the eastern Pacific. These northwesterly winds lead to upwelling along the western coast of North America. Upwelling, where cold, nutrient-rich waters are brought to the surface, can drive ocean productivity, supporting most productive fisheries worldwide. Such wind patterns are expected to change considerably due to global climate change. Changes in global air temperatures over land and the ocean, as well as increased temperature variation, will alter atmospheric pressure gradients that drive the strength of winds over the ocean.
Ocean Circulation « Climate Change
There you go, "expected to change" is the key phrase. There is just another climate model that spit out data saying it's expected to change, just like the climate was expected to be warming this century.

So let me get this straight, a government agency releases reports derived from a climate computer model which predicts the climate will steadily warm for a century, Then another scientist uses that data to publish another report that the climate is "expected to change," and this makes the second report a valid reference?

If you sprinkle a science paper with enough words and phrases like, might, could, may, projected, expected, possible, plausible, trending towards, etc... that makes them irrefutable factual, and worth changing our laws, imposing regulations and changing our way of life... even if all there predictions flat out failed to come true?

If I were to have said in 2000, that there was not going to be any warming, much less man-made global warming, for ten years, you would have called me a denier, and pointed to reports claiming there would be another .5 degree in climate warming, from some report with words like might, could, may, projected, expected, possible, etc...

Then, after 17 years of no global warming, you are still pointing to the same stuff, claiming might, could, may, projected, expected, possible, etc... and calling me a denier.
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Old 09-26-2014, 11:09 AM
 
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Science has predicted major changes in weather patterns....Some areas will be drier, but most of the globe will be wetter.....Judging from the graphs you posted they are spot on.

Wet Get Wetter & Dry Get Dryer: Climate Change Story | Video

Post-normal science has presented a plethora of unsupported exaggerated claims... your "DDWW theory" link points to one of them:

Climate change rule of thumb gets rained on

In a new study published in Nature Geosciences, a group of scientists from Switzerland, Germany and the U.S. find no meaningful trends in combined indicators of moisture – precipitation, evapotranspiration, and potential evaporation (the examination of combined trends make the study “unique” says lead author Peter Greve) – over 75 percent of the Earth’s land surface from 1948 to 2005.
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The most vocal warmers here likely live off government funds given to the AGW welfare I mean 'research' leeches.
If you live in an earthquake zone, a hurricane zone, in tornado alley, or in a flood plain, there could be a time when you owe your life, and the lives of your family, to those leeches.

Where do the early warnings come from? Take a guess.
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