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To those who advocate for a "living wage" how do you determine what a living wage should be for different types of jobs and people of different educational/job skill levels?
What should be a living wage for a janitor,a construction worker,an auto mechanic,security guard,cashier etc?
To those who advocate for a "living wage" how do you determine what a living wage should be for different types of jobs and people of different educational/job skill levels?
What should be a living wage for a janitor,a construction worker,an auto mechanic,security guard,cashier etc?
You cannot give value to titles. You have to first define what the actual "job" is. People should be compensated for the value of their time based on the value their labor brings to their employer.
My only argument is for minimum wage to be the minimum amount needed for subsistence without taxpayer subsidy. We have economists to figure out the numbers as to what it would be.
My gut feeling as of now leans to $12-$14 / hour or so currently, but like I said an economist could figure that out better than me.
My only argument is for minimum wage to be the minimum amount needed for subsistence without taxpayer subsidy. We have economists to figure out the numbers as to what it would be.
My gut feeling as of now leans to $12-$14 / hour or so currently, but like I said an economist could figure that out better than me.
Then what does your gut say about the person living in Manhattan, Menlo Park/Palo Alto, or NW Washington DC? What if they have kids? Just tell me what your gut says. What's a liveable wage for them?
Using public resources in the means of production by claiming sole ownership is illegitamate and immoral.
Unregulated, freeD markets will determine what Man A will exchange with Man B on their own accord.
Anything less is force, aggression, and theft.
All of the following posts will ignore this fact as folks argue the best way for Peter to rob Paul while not realizing the fact that robbery is immoral.
My only argument is for minimum wage to be the minimum amount needed for subsistence without taxpayer subsidy. We have economists to figure out the numbers as to what it would be.
My gut feeling as of now leans to $12-$14 / hour or so currently, but like I said an economist could figure that out better than me.
All jobs aren't meant for to provide a living. Some are just there to provide extra income or spending money.
So a small mom and pop is suppose to pay the 16 year old kid working in the summer a wage to support himself? Is that what you are saying?
Then what does your gut say about the person living in Manhattan, Menlo Park/Palo Alto, or NW Washington DC? What if they have kids? Just tell me what your gut says. What's a liveable wage for them?
Federal minimum wage is a minimum wage floor. Those municipalities can raise their minimum wage to higher levels, as many have done already.
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All jobs aren't meant for to provide a living. Some are just there to provide extra income or spending money.
Yes, they are. Brush up on the historical context of FSLA.
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Originally Posted by 30to66at55
So a small mom and pop is suppose to pay the 16 year old kid working in the summer a wage to support himself? Is that what you are saying?
If they are qualified to earn a minimum wage position I see no reason why this is a problem. Most minimum wage earners are not teenagers, however.
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Originally Posted by irspow
Any rational person already knows what people should be paid. It is the amount that others are voluntarily willing to pay them...
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"Living wage" is essentially nonsense.
If you agree to accept the wage being offered by an employer, that's good enough.
So if you are unemployed and your choice is between jobless and $1 / hour, which would you choose?
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Some jobs are meant to be for students, retirees or as second or even third jobs. They aren't meant to fund raising a family.
You can keep spinning this any way you want. In the end it boils down to the fact that minimum wage is supposed to be a cushion. No one was meant to LIVE on minimum wage.
What ever happened to the American dream ? what happened to having a work ethic, working for your family ... improving yourself to get ahead ? Too many people expect to have their lives paid for, thinking they are entitled to all the latest, greatest gadgets and best of everything. These people need to get off their x-box's .. get off their PS3's and get their lazy asses to work !
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