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Old 09-29-2014, 03:29 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Glaciers are melting. Whether humans are causing it is debatable.

Even the History Channel did a documentary about the climate during the "Medieval Warm Period". The climate was warmer then than it is now, and it clearly wasn't caused by industrial pollution. Of course, the last half hour of the 90 minute documentary, they ranted about global warming, even though the first hour of it was all about how the climate warmed up during the Middle Ages and then subsequently cooled off for a few hundred years until things began warming up again in the 19th century.
This. Humans are an amazingly adaptable species. We also have what our ancestors didn't - incredible levels of science and technology.

Whether humans are causing the present global warming is up in the air. However, I have no fear for the future. We're reach the singularity in the next 50 years by some estimates. Surely that level of computing power can solve these "issues". We'll have no hope of solving them if we send the Earth's economy back to the Dark Ages over an irrational fear.

 
Old 09-29-2014, 03:38 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Glaciers are melting. Whether humans are causing it is debatable.
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Not any more. Glaciers covered in pollution have been filmed over time, both close up, to show how the pollutants are causing accelerated melting, and from a distance, with comparisons done with photos taken in previous generations. There's no denying it any more. See the documentary: "Chasing Ice".
 
Old 09-29-2014, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Glaciers are melting. Whether humans are causing it is debatable...
A bit over half correct. A bit over half of the glaciers are retreating.

At the same time, a bit over half of the glaciers are advancing. That's right - advancing.

I saw this interesting documentary when it premiered at Sundance Film Festival about 6 months ago:

Chasing Ice | The Award-Winning Documentary on Climate Change
 
Old 09-29-2014, 06:20 PM
 
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This is funny! The film Chasing Ice being used to support both sides of the argument! That film has been around for a couple of years now, it's nothing new. It showed on TV on the National Geographic channel in 2013.

While parts of the Antarctic ice sheet are getting thicker, an ever-increasing mass of it is calving. The other concern is the Greenland ice sheet, discussed and filmed in Chasing Ice. When the two ice sheets go, extreme climate change will result, as ocean currents will be affected. Here's a statement from the film:

[Photographer] Balog and his Extreme Ice Survey (EIS) team have launched an ambitious plan to create a comprehensive record of unprecedented geologic changes with amazing results. His cameras capture glaciers as they recede more kilometers in the past 10 years than in the previous century.

Once a climate change skeptic, Balog questioned humans’ capability of changing the basic physics and chemistry of the entire planet, but the EIS has left him without a doubt. In addition to its effects on glaciers, climate change also intensifies the impact of hurricanes and typhoons, leaving more high water along coastlines and pushing water farther inland during big storms.


 
Old 09-29-2014, 06:33 PM
 
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Not any more. Glaciers covered in pollution have been filmed over time, both close up, to show how the pollutants are causing accelerated melting, and from a distance, with comparisons done with photos taken in previous generations. There's no denying it any more. See the documentary: "Chasing Ice".

Please Ruth, you can't really be on the side of those who push global warming in order to destroy American production, the oppressors. "Chasing ice" are you serious?

Look at the faces of the manipulators at the UN during the global warming poem, so obvious its a scam 100%. If the EPA really wanted to close down coal, why send it down South for the same production on the hush.

Come on let's hear from some Ruth supporters on global warming, Ruth can't be alone here.
 
Old 09-29-2014, 06:34 PM
 
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The thing that we all know about burning coal is that this kind of technology, from the mines to the fires, is fraught with problems ranging from safety concerns to horrendous pollution. Global warming...That's become quite the political football, and in light of that I'll refrain from making any attempt to comment on it beyond saying that it is obviously causing a lot of polarization in a nation that needs less of it.

Carbon emissions...Not altogether a good thing when considering the health issues surrounding air pollution in our largest cities. Conspiracy tales of Al Gore and others playing the role of Dr Evil with regard to AGW is certainly entertaining stuff but on it's face seems ludicrous, and tiring to say the least. It can't hurt to have the worlds leading manufacturing nations coming together to talk about the issues surrounding industrial pollution, as a car crazy nation we are seeing the problem with these objects of worship that began as nothing more than a way to get around. Coal isn't anymore of a thing worthy of our deifying than the car, so lets agree on one thing, pollution IS bad...
 
Old 09-29-2014, 06:49 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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The thing that we all know about burning coal is that this kind of technology, from the mines to the fires, is fraught with problems ranging from safety concerns to horrendous pollution. Global warming...That's become quite the political football, and in light of that I'll refrain from making any attempt to comment on it beyond saying that it is obviously causing a lot of polarization in a nation that needs less of it.

Carbon emissions...Not altogether a good thing when considering the health issues surrounding air pollution in our largest cities. Conspiracy tales of Al Gore and others playing the role of Dr Evil with regard to AGW is certainly entertaining stuff but on it's face seems ludicrous, and tiring to say the least. It can't hurt to have the worlds leading manufacturing nations coming together to talk about the issues surrounding industrial pollution, as a car crazy nation we are seeing the problem with these objects of worship that began as nothing more than a way to get around. Coal isn't anymore of a thing worthy of our deifying than the car, so lets agree on one thing, pollution IS bad...
The solution is already here: Nuclear power - even safer than wind and solar. But oh no, we can't have that because it's NUKE-ular!
 
Old 09-29-2014, 06:56 PM
 
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The solution is already here: Nuclear power - even safer than wind and solar. But oh no, we can't have that because it's NUKE-ular!

Or it might actually create full time jobs and wow, what a no no there.
 
Old 09-29-2014, 07:05 PM
 
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Green energy is reaching cost effectiveness in many areas, so I suppose if they keep building coal plants, I'll have my suspicions as well...
I'm good with that if it's cost effective. Icke also talked about that in the video as well. You have to see there's a larger agenda with this stuff. They say it's about saving the planet, but it's really not about that at all.
 
Old 09-29-2014, 07:10 PM
 
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. Coal isn't anymore of a thing worthy of our deifying than the car, so lets agree on one thing, pollution IS bad...
If you'd bothered to watch the video I posted, he agreed with this.

What people aren't understanding is the green agenda is about creating laws and regulations beyond the level of individual nation states so that they eventually have a global dictatorship. The European Union is a stepping stone toward this end. It's done gradually over a long period of time so that people don't notice and/or take it as normal, natural, & inevitable. If the hypocrisy of one cause is exposed, they have 10 more tools in their arsenal to achieve the same end.
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