Please tell us why the armed citizens of Switzerland were not the reason why the Germany did not invade them in WW2 (weapons, brainwash)
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If it were the reason for not fighting the Swiss then the Nazis surely would not have invaded the USSR. Not only did the USSR have millions of armed and willing soldiers, they had tens of thousands of pieces of artillery, an air force of thousands of aircraft and an industrial capacity to build more and more munitions.
The fact the Swiss could and would fight has nothing at all to do with it. Germany needed a neutral state on her borders for many reasons. A banking system that could facilitate international trade during the war was one important reason. If you did not notice the Nazis also did not invade Sweden. Sweden was important to them during the war for various reasons as well as being important to the allies. Have you ever wondered why they didn't invade Spain when Spain refused to help them. After all Franco would never have won his war if not for Nazi assistance.
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Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed
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Citizens owning guns isn't the safeguard that American gun lovers seem to think it is. Not against artillery and airstrikes.....
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon
Ummmm....
Didn't the USSR acquire that through development and lend lease AFTER Operation Barbarossa. The Soviets were no where near as strongly armed of a combat force as they were towards the end. Countless Soviet soldiers went to the front without a gun early on and told to find a gun.
Remember, Hitler had already seen the poor Soviet leadership and lesser Soviet equipment and training in action. The Soviets had invaded Finland prior to Operation Barbarossa. The Soviets had 3 times as many soldiers, 100 times as many tanks, 30 times as many aircraft and yet Finland killed 5 Soviets for every dead soldier they had. Hitler was not at all impressed with the quality of leadership, training or equipment that the Soviets had early in the war...but they did get immensely better as the war went on.
Michiganmoon just smashed some leftist revisionism.
Citizens owning guns isn't the safeguard that American gun lovers seem to think it is. Not against artillery and airstrikes.....
You appear to suffer from the same misconception regarding air and indirect fires that plagues the current administration. They are never enough. In the end it always takes boots on the ground to mop up after them if any gains are to be maintained.
Please make the case as to why the millions of armed, trained, and willing citizens of Switzerland did not prove to be a reason why the Germans did not invade the nation during WW2.
First of all this post belongs in the history forum, after all history buffs need a good laugh, too.
Second if you think that 4 million big Switzerland could stand up to 80 million big Germany than you're delusional. After all Germans did not have much problem overcoming combined allied forces of Belgium, Holland, France and the UK so why would tiny Switzerland be able to withstand German attack? After all, all able-bodied Dutch, Belgians, French and British had guns as they were drafted to the army. Yes, they all have guns, tanks and airplanes and still could not withstand the German attack. Your theory that armed citizenry could change the course of WWII is simply laughable.
Why Germany never attacked the Swiss? First of all because they needed neutral Switzerland for economic and political reasons. Second, because Switzerland is virtually devoid of natural resources. Nothing there to take.
Back to school, kid. lol
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Because Germans needed the Swiss. Do you really think that 80 million strong Germany would have a problem with 4 million big Switzerland when it didn't have a problem with France, Belgium, Holland and the UK combined? LOL Back to school, kid.
And how many of those nations had 95% of the population armed, trained and ready to fight?
Not a single one...
Plus do you really think they would send army after army into Switzerland? No then would have figured out that it was not worth the loss of men and left as all occupying armies do.
Please make the case as to why the millions of armed, trained, and willing citizens of Switzerland did not prove to be a reason why the Germans did not invade the nation during WW2.
Germany could've easily taken Switzerland. Switzerland is a nothing nation...and there wouldn't have been enough arms on Earth for them to stop the Wehrmacht.
The Swiss had two things in their favor...They're a majority ethnic German nation and Germany had no axe to grind with them, and they were the Nazis bankers. Their neutrality was important to Germany.
Had Germany won the war, they would've eventually taken down the Swiss and would've done so with ease.
Germany could've easily taken Switzerland. Switzerland is a nothing nation...and there wouldn't have been enough arms on Earth for them to stop the Wehrmacht.
The Swiss had two things in their favor...They're a majority ethnic German nation and Germany had no axe to grind with them, and they were the Nazis bankers. Their neutrality was important to Germany.
Had Germany won the war, they would've eventually taken down the Swiss and would've done so with ease.
And how many of those nations had 95% of the population armed, trained and ready to fight?
Not a single one...
Plus do you really think they would send army after army into Switzerland? No then would have figured out that it was not worth the loss of men and left as all occupying armies do.
A number like 95% needs a link to be taken completely seriously. I know the Swiss had a large gun population, but 95% were trained enough to take on the German Army which had already plowed through numerous other countries? Honestly, I don't think this was a deciding factor. Hitler had intentions of attacking America once the British blockade in the Atlantic ocean was removed and Americans also had guns. I'll be generous and assume the 95% thing is true, I seriously doubt that this is THE reason the Germans didn't make a move on Switzerland. They had a vastly superior defensive position, were neutral, and wasn't full of people Hitler didn't like. Add the gun ownership and Switzerland ends up being too much trouble without much reason. They weren't a threat and they weren't on any particular side. I think the real issue is Hitler had no actual reason to invade.
And how many of those nations had 95% of the population armed, trained and ready to fight? Not a single one
I agree. Not a single country can arm and train 95% of population as every country has children, elderly and women. Not even Switzerland. You simply can't arm 95% of population. No country has even resources to train and arm that many people. Not even North Korea. LOL
And yes, all able bodied Dutch, Belgians, French and British were armed as they were drafted into their armies. What was your point again?
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Plus do you really think they would send army after army into Switzerland? No then would have figured out that it was not worth the loss of men and left as all occupying armies do.
Few hundred sorties by Luftwaffe plus a blockade and the Swiss would quickly change their mind.
It's just 4 million people, in 1939 Berlin had more people that the entire Switzerland. LOL
Germany could've easily taken Switzerland. Switzerland is a nothing nation...and there wouldn't have been enough arms on Earth for them to stop the Wehrmacht.
The Swiss had two things in their favor...They're a majority ethnic German nation and Germany had no axe to grind with them, and they were the Nazis bankers. Their neutrality was important to Germany.
Had Germany won the war, they would've eventually taken down the Swiss and would've done so with ease.
Your forget tactics and ambushes plus the advantage the Swiss would have with Artillery and mortars....
So you are telling me millions of well trained well armed people had nothing to do with it?..wow.
Additionally the Swiss did not have any natural resources that German needed for their war effort.
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter
Germany could've easily taken Switzerland. Switzerland is a nothing nation...and there wouldn't have been enough arms on Earth for them to stop the Wehrmacht.
The Swiss had two things in their favor...They're a majority ethnic German nation and Germany had no axe to grind with them, and they were the Nazis bankers. Their neutrality was important to Germany.
Had Germany won the war, they would've eventually taken down the Swiss and would've done so with ease.
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