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Old 10-04-2014, 12:00 PM
 
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Originally Posted by zinctwentyone View Post
How is that a bad thing? Since you are so much older than me, did you enjoy free speech all your life? Did you enjoy the years of the internet usage for free? As this control progresses you will see how far they take it. I believe they will start the taxing phase first and probably work on the censoring next.

Nothing like more taxes right?

So if you like UN control, then you simply didn't enjoy life very much because you have no passion in keeping it free. Take a look at the recent Hong Kong uprisings, China flicked a switch and censored. With the administration we shortly behind and they know they will not win votes on censorship so the next best thing is to outsource it to an international UN so they call the shots.
Long on fear, short on facts, are we? ICANN's responsibilities have nothing to do with content, they deal with name and address allocation, some of the most boring administrative details imaginable. More to the point, there is no way for ICANN or its successor to enforce sh.t. People use the infrastructure they manage because it's practical to have a clearinghouse that sees to it that Ip addresses don't collide and that DNS registries are in sync and that there is a hierarchical set of databases to use for name lookup and zzzzzzzz....

But as you correctly point out, national entities (like China) with control over their IP carriers can circumvent this ideal structure. Oh, and their mechanism for doing so has nothing to do with ICANN's area of responsibility.

 
Old 10-04-2014, 12:02 PM
 
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Who stated I liked the UN to control anything. I asked you to clarify your original statement by providing more information other than the unsupported statements you made.

Do you even know who controls the "root" of the internet and who currently has oversight?

Here's a couple of clues for you:

ICANN

Commerce Department
Not anymore.
 
Old 10-04-2014, 12:05 PM
 
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Long on fear, short on facts, are we? ICANN's responsibilities have nothing to do with content, they deal with name and address allocation, some of the most boring administrative details imaginable. More to the point, there is no way for ICANN or its successor to enforce sh.t. People use the infrastructure they manage because it's practical to have a clearinghouse that sees to it that Ip addresses don't collide and that DNS registries are in sync and that there is a hierarchical set of databases to use for name lookup and zzzzzzzz....

But as you correctly point out, national entities (like China) with control over their IP carriers can circumvent this ideal structure. Oh, and their mechanism for doing so has nothing to do with ICANN's area of responsibility.
Domain name service is one of the ways how many of the countries censor the internet. It's how the USG shuts down sites it doesn't like, by deleting the DNS entries for it, or changing them to point to another place.

It's not "boring administrative details", it's one of the essential elements for non-knowledgeable public access to things.
 
Old 10-04-2014, 12:14 PM
 
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This topic just shows how ignorant the truly paranoid are of the facts. Top level domains are controlled by ICANN, and that respnsobility has split itself up into several more regional organizations called RIRs, or Regional Internet Registries. We belong to ARIN, Latin America belongs to LACNIC, Europe to RIPE, Africa to AfriNIC, and Asia to APNIC. I don't see any UN in there. The RIRs are delegated addresses through the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) which is a department of ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers) which is a non-profit corporation HQ'd in the USA you people really make my head hurt, not you Bulldog. It seems we're both on the same page here regarding the Internet infrastructure
 
Old 10-04-2014, 12:17 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA View Post
Long on fear, short on facts, are we? ICANN's responsibilities have nothing to do with content, they deal with name and address allocation, some of the most boring administrative details imaginable. More to the point, there is no way for ICANN or its successor to enforce sh.t. People use the infrastructure they manage because it's practical to have a clearinghouse that sees to it that Ip addresses don't collide and that DNS registries are in sync and that there is a hierarchical set of databases to use for name lookup and zzzzzzzz....

But as you correctly point out, national entities (like China) with control over their IP carriers can circumvent this ideal structure. Oh, and their mechanism for doing so has nothing to do with ICANN's area of responsibility.

The UN doesn't get involved with anything they cannot eventually gain control. If that is the case then why bother, why not leave it to the USA. Just look at the spread of the global warming joke they take all the way to the bank.

No proof yet, but my guess is that in the very near future most likely after the elections, there will be a censorship move, not that there isn't one now but a new one that we cannot fight as the internet is now controlled by an International body.

It's almost funny how they signed over control shortly after they tried to get censorship passed and hugely failed.
 
Old 10-04-2014, 12:17 PM
 
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UN controlling the internet? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! The UN and control should never belong in the same sentence, it's a powerless joke of an organization with as much power as the UNSC lets it have, meaning none.
 
Old 10-04-2014, 12:20 PM
 
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This topic just shows how ignorant the truly paranoid are of the facts. Top level domains are controlled by ICANN, and that respnsobility has split itself up into several more regional organizations called RIRs, or Regional Internet Registries. We belong to ARIN, Latin America belongs to LACNIC, Europe to RIPE, Africa to AfriNIC, and Asia to APNIC. I don't see any UN in there. The RIRs are delegated addresses through the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) which is a department of ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers) which is a non-profit corporation HQ'd in the USA you people really make my head hurt, not you Bulldog. It seems we're both on the same page here regarding the Internet infrastructure

Umm we are referring to the recent sign off of ICANN in case you missed it.

Internet administration to shift from U.S. to global stage - Erin Mershon and Jessica Meyers - POLITICO.com
 
Old 10-04-2014, 12:21 PM
 
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Domain name service is one of the ways how many of the countries censor the internet. It's how the USG shuts down sites it doesn't like, by deleting the DNS entries for it, or changing them to point to another place.

It's not "boring administrative details", it's one of the essential elements for non-knowledgeable public access to things.
If, let's say, the UN in the OP's imaginary scenario, shuts down the domain www.city-data.com, you do know you can still get here by typing in 173.193.64.24 right? All you have to do is ping the domain name and you can get the IP address. Networking 101.
 
Old 10-04-2014, 12:21 PM
 
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The UN doesn't get involved with anything they cannot eventually gain control.
Oh, sure. Look at how UN intervention "controlled", say, Bosnia.

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No proof yet,
No sh.t.

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but my guess is that in the very near future most likely after the elections, there will be a censorship move, not that there isn't one now but a new one that we cannot fight as the internet is now controlled by an International body.
You - still have no idea what the ICANN does, do you?

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It's almost funny how they signed over control shortly after they tried to get censorship passed and hugely failed.
I have no idea what this "censorship" attempt was, but I'm sure you'll be able to tell me.
 
Old 10-04-2014, 12:24 PM
 
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Umm we are referring to the recent sign off of ICANN in case you missed it.

Internet administration to shift from U.S. to global stage - Erin Mershon and Jessica Meyers - POLITICO.com
From ICANN's website:

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ICANN doesn't control content on the Internet. It cannot stop spam and it doesn't deal with access to the Internet. But through its coordination role of the Internet's naming system, it does have an important impact on the expansion and evolution of the Internet.
China or Russia can't censor top level domains outside of their country. They can't.
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