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Old 10-25-2014, 04:57 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Originally Posted by pnwmdk View Post
You know someone has no answers when they claim the solution is "government spending".

The city of Chicago spends more than 13,000 per student in k-12. What's it get for that? Not much.

You're suggesting that we need to add another 10,000 in spending.

What do you suggest we spend it on? New buildings?

Instructional spending for chicago is about 2/3 of the total spending.

So, you want us to buy computer that are more expensive, build fancier buildings, and better desks. Great.

So, how will this improve the education of the child whose parent(s) don't care?

Not one iota. MONEY is not the problem.

Outstanding points. I think the problem is democrats blindly throw money at problems, and there's no conservative politician in Washington like yourself to put hard facts on the table. And there's no democrat in Washington who studies things like you just said.

And most importantly there's no republican in Washington to fine tune a democrats funding to programs.


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Sure, it's "ethical". When you define "ethics" as political dogma.

Are you throwing ethics and morality out the window to protect a political agenda of low tax rates for the rich?


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So, you want to spend 11,000/year + inflation in perpetuity per man, woman, and child to "improve their lives".

What happens to the other 270 million Americans who have to pay out 2,300 / EACH, per man, woman, and child for this?

You don't suppose there'll be a negative effect on their life?

What gives you the moral right to demand some people be impoverished to benefit someone else?

As a side note, we already spend 600+ billion a year just on k-12.

Maybe I want a republican in Washington like yourself (because they don't have any.)

Perhaps the money is already there, but there's just no real conservative to properly distribute, regulate, and fine tune things like public school funding.


Chad.

 
Old 10-25-2014, 05:25 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Originally Posted by brownbagg View Post
Bad work ethics
Bad attitude
Bad education
No real conservatives to respect them, to give them opportunities, and then give them a kick in the a-- to get them going.

Its Bad Conservatives.
 
Old 10-25-2014, 05:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Supachai View Post
That's a useless response. Whether you believe it or not, it's still the truth. if you're not willing to address known facts, then this is a pointless discussion.
It isn't a known fact.

It isn't fact at all.
 
Old 10-25-2014, 05:58 PM
 
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Originally Posted by alphamale View Post
Blacks in general don't value education and also speak in Ebonics.
Wrong. Black UNDERCLASS types don't value education and speak only in Ebonics.


How do you explain the Blacks who have a college education and speak proper English, but still are unemployed? Last time I checked, when adjusting for education, Blacks have a higher unemployment than everyone else even with the same educational attainment.
 
Old 10-25-2014, 05:58 PM
 
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Outstanding points. I think the problem is democrats blindly throw money at problems, and there's no conservative politician in Washington like yourself to put hard facts on the table. And there's no democrat in Washington who studies things like you just said.

And most importantly there's no republican in Washington to fine tune a democrats funding to programs.
There should be no involvement at all in Washington DC, in our educational system.



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Are you throwing ethics and morality out the window to protect a political agenda of low tax rates for the rich?
You're going to have to clarify your question.





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Maybe I want a republican in Washington like yourself (because they don't have any.)

Perhaps the money is already there, but there's just no real conservative to properly distribute, regulate, and fine tune things like public school funding.
Not the problem. The problem is that all politically managed services are incompetent, because they serve political agendas, not the promised services. Especially when that management is separated from the people it is supposed to serve. Public schools should be run by local school boards with very little input or demands from ANYWHERE else. Those who make the decisions should be held accountable by the very people with a direct interest in them.
 
Old 10-25-2014, 06:00 PM
 
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Wrong. Black UNDERCLASS types don't value education and speak only in Ebonics.


How do you explain the Blacks who have a college education and speak proper English, but still are unemployed? Last time I checked, when adjusting for education, Blacks have a higher unemployment than everyone else even with the same educational attainment.
Well, randomly throwing out accusations of "racism" won't be an answer.

Have you interviewed at least 20% of the people in this condition, studied the reasons, and then compiled and summarized the answers? If not, and if nobody has, then you're all shooting in the dark and wanting to keep that activity going.
 
Old 10-25-2014, 06:00 PM
 
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Blacks hate whites. Think about how you talk about whites when they turn their back. You bi*tch about them if they're nice or not. Blacks can be downright rude to whites.
And yet, you constantly complain about Blacks. It could be said that you hate Blacks.
 
Old 10-25-2014, 06:02 PM
 
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Well, randomly throwing out accusations of "racism" won't be an answer.

Have you interviewed at least 20% of the people in this condition, studied the reasons, and then compiled and summarized the answers? If not, and if nobody has, then you're all shooting in the dark and wanting to keep that activity going.
I haven't thrown out anything. I'm simply asking someone to think instead of making stupid generalizations.
 
Old 10-25-2014, 06:05 PM
 
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I was listening to a black businessman and he felt the problem was people in the black community did not respect the idea of working. He still sees to many people in his community wanting to sit at home or seek an easy job vice getting out and really putting the nose to the grindstone. Perhaps 50 some years of failed Great Society programs has destroyed the work ethic in the black community.
Well, that businessman is clueless. There is a difference between hoodrats and the regular Black people. Regular Black people are going out there working or looking for work. The ones who don't care, those are often hood rats. What is so sad about this is that no one can make a distinction between regular Black people and hood rats. The Black community? More like "which Black community" and "which segment of the Black population".
 
Old 10-25-2014, 06:08 PM
 
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Would Black culture benefit from adopting conservative values like strong marriage and personal responsibility? Yes. But Blacks, as a group, have rejected those values. Liberals didn't make them do it by dangling welfare programs in front of them. It was their choice. Other groups have not made those same choices and they are not plagued by the issues that Black people are afflicted by.
You can find many European nations where values of marriage,family and personal responsibility have basically weakened, and yet, those nations have good economies.
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