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Old 11-06-2014, 07:59 PM
 
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We’ve been told that supposedly “everyone” wants homosexualized marriage whereas in reality it clearly looks like everyone most certainly does not want homosexualized marriage. Public opinion, perception and input is crucial on this matter that redefines society just to accommodate 3%.


 
Old 11-06-2014, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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Everyone has the right to marry the person of their choice from the opposite sex. What I don't understand, it must be a mental aberration on their part, is why some people want special rights to marry someone from the same sex. That has to be a mental illness. There is no other explanation.

So some places allow that illness to perpetuate.

I wonder how loud that screech of outrage will be when SCOTUS denies cert.
Why do you worry so much about something that has zero impact on your life?

Last edited by CaseyB; 11-07-2014 at 04:07 AM..
 
Old 11-06-2014, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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This is a silly issue that shows republican party is full of Leave it to Beaver boomers and the christian right... as a fiscal conservative with social libertarian leaning gay marriage should be as legal as regular marriage. Its an issue that I dont even think about and I cant believe is still up for debate in 2014. What other people do in their personal lives that does not harm anyone else is of no concern to anyone, or it shouldnt be.
 
Old 11-06-2014, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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We’ve been told that supposedly “everyone” wants homosexualized marriage whereas in reality it clearly looks like everyone most certainly does not want homosexualized marriage. Public opinion, perception and input is crucial on this matter that redefines society just to accommodate 3%.


I don't think anyone has said that "everyone" supports gay marriage. Its definitely a majority that supports it.

The court isn't bigoted, its really a question of states right vs. Civil rights. At one time, states could make segregation legal, and there was a legal fight over that. Legislation, or the courts, can resolve these decisions. The SCOTUS will likely decide this one.
 
Old 11-06-2014, 08:20 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It looks like this will end up in the conservative SCOTUS after all. The 6th Circuit court broke with every other ruling to decide it was OK to ban gay marriages in four states.

Appeals court upholds same-sex marriage bans in 4 states - CBS News

Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution.....
I don't see where we gave them the power to regulate marriage, Period.

Pretty clear.
If it is not in Art. 1, Sec 8 of the Constitution then The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
 
Old 11-06-2014, 11:06 PM
 
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The supreme court as they have before can refuse to hear it; meaning they leave it as a state issue as it is now. Not a right but regulated by state in marriage laws
That's not what would happen if the Supreme Court denies cert. If the Supreme Court refuses to hear the case, then the outcome of these lawsuits and the interpretation of the Constitution in this regard is left up to the Federal Appeals courts. Refusal would mean that gay marriage bans would be considered constitutional in the 6th Circuit; gay marriage bans would be considered unconstitutional in the 4th, 7th, 9th, and 10th Circuits; and the other Circuits would be left to their own devices.
 
Old 11-06-2014, 11:10 PM
 
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Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution.....
I don't see where we gave them the power to regulate marriage, Period.

Pretty clear.
If it is not in Art. 1, Sec 8 of the Constitution then The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
What are you talking about? What does Section 8 of Article 1 - the delegated powers of Congress - have to do with the issue of whether state laws that allow heterosexual to marry but ban homosexuals from doing so violate the 14th Amendment???????
 
Old 11-06-2014, 11:25 PM
 
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We’ve been told that supposedly “everyone” wants homosexualized marriage whereas in reality it clearly looks like everyone most certainly does not want homosexualized marriage. Public opinion, perception and input is crucial on this matter that redefines society just to accommodate 3%.





It's history does not look to be popular with the people.

Same-Sex Marriage on the Ballot


"The majority of previous statewide votes on the issue of marriage has sought to define marriage as between one man and one woman, effectively prohibiting same-sex marriage. Between 1998 and 2012, there were 31 votes in 30 states on this issue, and in all but one case, voters agreed to limit marriage to opposite-sex couples. The single exception was in Arizona, where in 2006 voters rejected a same-sex marriage ban. However, Arizona voters went on to approve a ban in the 2008 election. In November 2012, Minnesota was the 31st state to consider a constitutional provision limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples, and they rejected their proposed ban."
 
Old 11-07-2014, 02:05 AM
 
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Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution.....
I don't see where we gave them the power to regulate marriage, Period.

Pretty clear.
If it is not in Art. 1, Sec 8 of the Constitution then The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

Here is something they don't want to see. My state was part of this ruling (TN). We have the right to pass our own laws, ones that reflect our values. This is a Christian conservative state so we choose not to allow gay marriage. This is a right given to us by our constitution. Use of the judicial branch to usurp the 10th amendment here is intolerable. I am glad this court ruled properly and did not attempt to legislate from the bench. They are not lawmakers and they have NO right to make law. I get sick of liberals quoting the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. That argument could be used to legalize polygamy and much worse things if we follow the slipperly slope viewpoint. States have the right to regulate behavior, and sexual acts are behavior. Marriage is a civil affair, again something states have the right to regulate. Marriage is not a right, nor is it a right for homosexuality to be accepted. That being said no court or federal government law will bring acceptance in conservative red states, just the opposite it will only bring anger. If you happen to be gay and feel your lifestyle is disrespected in the state you live in, then thankfully you have the right to move somewhere where it is accepted. There are many places a person like this will feel more at home. The reverse is also true, a conservative Christian has the right to leave a liberal blue state for somewhere more to their liking. This is a good thing we have this choice in America, in fact our founding fathers intended our states to be very different, allowing diverse states to be in a union happily together. Today is a good day, our constitution had a victory. Activist liberals had a bad day, they have not been successful in subverting the rights of the citizens of four states. If you want gay marriage in your state then do it right. Pass it through your state government and get the approval of your people.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 03:51 AM
 
Location: Phila & NYC
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It doesn't work here though. This is a Constitutional issue. The Supreme Court can not leave it up to the states because of the 14th amendment. It's unconstitutional for a citizen in Ohio to get government benefits while a citizen in Montana can not. (just making a couple states up). They punted knowing full well that they are going to have to rule on this.

This wasn't the first ruling that went against gay marriage.
Agree with your post and keep in mind how the benefits issue plays out. Since the DOMA ruling a gay couple that resides in a state that has a marriage ban, travels and marries in a state were it is legal, that marriage is recognized by the Feds regardless as to what state they reside in. What this creates is a situation where a gay couple being allowed Federal benefits of marriage but not the State benefits they reside in. Creates kind of a cluster F if you ask me.
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