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Old 11-11-2014, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Not if they are union members which illegals are not. But they don't low ball wages. They will work for any amount. You can blame it on the companies who don't want to pay.
The vast majority of skilled trades jobs in this country are non union.
And the illegal labor in this industries has forced many American citizens out of these jobs on a huge scale.
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Old 11-11-2014, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Lewes, Delaware
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When was the last time you stayed at a hotel (usually one that caters to business travelers) and the room staff spoke anything other than Spanish, or stayed at a hospital and had a nurse who could speak Tagalog to a counterpart when they didn't want you to hear something about you. When I was in the local hospital (Washington DC suburbs) last March. My hospitalist was Burmese, one nurse was from Ghana, another from Nigeria, yet another Filipino and a fourth was Chinese.
I was more or less talking about in customers homes, but I get what your saying.
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Old 11-11-2014, 03:59 PM
 
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Sadly, I think your right.

But could you imagine the type of support that the party would have from the American people if they ran on a platform of gutting the IRS?
I would imagine there would be more support. I would also imagine more support if there were more moderates being attracted to the party. And consider this. I don't want to open up a can of worms, but if the extremists and jingoists were to be purged, there might be more African-Americans going to the GOP.
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:01 PM
 
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The vast majority of skilled trades jobs in this country are non union.
And the illegal labor in this industries has forced many American citizens out of these jobs on a huge scale.
Let us elaborate on this. North Carolina is a state where unions are pretty much powerless, if not non-existent. Pretty much no union power. Textile mills packed up and left anyway for overseas places. Apparently, even relatively cheap, non-union labor wasn't enough. How does one expect an American to survive off of 50 cents an hour?
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Let us elaborate on this. North Carolina is a state where unions are pretty much powerless, if not non-existent. Pretty much no union power. Textile mills packed up and left anyway for overseas places. Apparently, even relatively cheap, non-union labor wasn't enough. How does one expect an American to survive off of 50 cents an hour?
I live in North Carolina, although by the time I moved here in 1997 the textile industry was all but gone already.
I don't know how prolific illegal labor was in the textile industry here before it's demise but I do know that there are a lot more illegals here now than there was then (Non scientific, seat of the pants observation)

The textile industry is different than the construction trades though, it's easy to ship container loads of cheaply made clothing from third world contries.....not as easy to do that with homes and skyscrapers etc.
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:26 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Revenue is necessary, especially to combat the detrimental effects of centuries of bigotry, inequality, racism, and bigotry by the Right-wing. Those who benefited and continue to benefit from the hierarchy that emerged from slavery, must make those who have been historically discriminated against and disadvantaged, whole. A flat tax is NOT going to do this. Absurd.

Health care. A health care crisis stared Pubs in the face and they ignored it for 8 horrific Bush years. Republicans don't know a thing about what is good for all, not just the rich, and Dems hold the superior view here as well. The Republican contribution is simply to obstruct, which of course, is not a plan that benefits all, not just the rich.

Dealing with hostility around the world is not going to be accomplished by going it alone, shunning the international community, not even listening to the other side, and doing a "shock and awe" before intruding and acting like a bunch of swaggering pirates. President Obama has the best approach. Conservatives need to quit embarrassing this country with their stupid view, and learn. Conservatives are clueless and have always been wrong in this area, like all the others.

The Conservative stance on gay marriage mirrors its general stances on all topics: far behind the times and too rigid and regressive to even think about catching up.

In general, a political party whose ideology reeks so bad, that it has to spend enormous amounts of money suckering in votes by gerrymandering, suppressing the vote, praying on their hands and knees that the other side doesn't show up to vote, lying, and deceptive marketing as the rule, is DOOMED to failure.

2016 is the year of reckoning, which will see an annihilation of the GOP. for these reasons and many more.
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Old 11-11-2014, 05:16 PM
 
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Revenue is necessary, especially to combat the detrimental effects of centuries of bigotry, inequality, racism, and bigotry by the Right-wing. Those who benefited and continue to benefit from the hierarchy that emerged from slavery, must make those who have been historically discriminated against and disadvantaged, whole. A flat tax is NOT going to do this. Absurd.

Health care. A health care crisis stared Pubs in the face and they ignored it for 8 horrific Bush years. Republicans don't know a thing about what is good for all, not just the rich, and Dems hold the superior view here as well. The Republican contribution is simply to obstruct, which of course, is not a plan that benefits all, not just the rich.

Dealing with hostility around the world is not going to be accomplished by going it alone, shunning the international community, not even listening to the other side, and doing a "shock and awe" before intruding and acting like a bunch of swaggering pirates. President Obama has the best approach. Conservatives need to quit embarrassing this country with their stupid view, and learn. Conservatives are clueless and have always been wrong in this area, like all the others.

The Conservative stance on gay marriage mirrors its general stances on all topics: far behind the times and too rigid and regressive to even think about catching up.

In general, a political party whose ideology reeks so bad, that it has to spend enormous amounts of money suckering in votes by gerrymandering, suppressing the vote, praying on their hands and knees that the other side doesn't show up to vote, lying, and deceptive marketing as the rule, is DOOMED to failure.

2016 is the year of reckoning, which will see an annihilation of the GOP. for these reasons and many more.



Holy sour grapes Batman.
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Old 11-11-2014, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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I live in North Carolina, although by the time I moved here in 1997 the textile industry was all but gone already.
I don't know how prolific illegal labor was in the textile industry here before it's demise but I do know that there are a lot more illegals here now than there was then (Non scientific, seat of the pants observation)

The textile industry is different than the construction trades though, it's easy to ship container loads of cheaply made clothing from third world contries.....not as easy to do that with homes and skyscrapers etc.

A lot of the steel used to build skyscrapers is also coming over the same way as cheap cloths from Bangladesh. For example, the steel used to rebuild World Trade Center #1 in New York City was made by Arcellor-Mittal (An Indian Company at its plant in Belgium). It couldn't be sourced to a US Company because they couldn't meet the price of the Indian company . The mills located in Bethlehem, PA that supplied the steel to build the original Twin Towers in the 1969-1971 time frame were shut down nearly 20 years ago! 15,000 workers lost their jobs when this mill was shut down.
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