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Originally Posted by steven_h Make drugs legal, just as alcohol is, and use the billions of dollars saved to provide rehab and rehabilitation programs.
If we really care about the problem, we've certainly gone about it the wrong way to this point!
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest
Guv run rehab? Yeah that wont cost billions lol
Socialism fail.
Oh paleeze! See, these are the wild extremes at the edges which make both sides seem absurd.
The government is already waging a massive war on citizens, and failing at it. At least using that same money to HELP people rather than IMPRISONING people would be a step in the right direction.
Socialism?
Sorry I'm a libertarian who believes that there are very few things government can do adequately. I'd much rather see them throwing our money at good causes, than bad ones. The war on drugs is ridiculous. Drug awareness and rehabilitation programs ARE NOT!
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Originally Posted by steven_h Make drugs legal, just as alcohol is, and use the billions of dollars saved to provide rehab and rehabilitation programs.
If we really care about the problem, we've certainly gone about it the wrong way to this point!
Oh paleeze! See, these are the wild extremes at the edges which make both sides seem absurd.
The government is already waging a massive war on citizens, and failing at it. At least using that same money to HELP people rather than IMPRISONING people would be a step in the right direction.
Socialism?
Sorry I'm a libertarian who believes that there are very few things government can do adequately. I'd much rather see them throwing our money at good causes, than bad ones. The war on drugs is ridiculous. Drug awareness and rehabilitation programs ARE NOT!
A libertarian that believes in government violence to administer a rehabilitation/ redistribution scheme?
Sorry but you are the extremist
Decriminalize drugs yes , tax non-users to pay for the users, NO
thinks that if any of them are abusing drugs or alcohol, they need to stay on the streets, end of story.
Asking, since I believe in the Christian principle that Jesus said (if you do good to those who are most vulnerable, you do on to me as well), but, I positively draw the line if they are drug users or boozers who have no interest in stopping.
huh? I don't know about that.
Alcohol abusers and drug users can be a particularly vulnerable group within the homeless population. What if drug addiction is caused by poor physical health, mental illnesses, trauma, or personal tragedy out of their control?
If you claim that you want to help people, then help everybody. They are already homeless for crying out loud. Now you are going to discriminate against a certain groups of homeless? Doesn't make any sense to me.
Last edited by lilyflower3191981; 11-12-2014 at 05:41 PM..
thinks that if any of them are abusing drugs or alcohol, they need to stay on the streets, end of story.
I know if I was running a shelter, to try to help them out, but if it became plagued with drugs and booze, mostly since it people just sneaked it in, I wouldn't think anything about closing it down on the spot.
Sadly, it seems to me, that that's why so many people, even if it's not most, are against homeless shelters, especially for men, in their neighborhoods. Heard of too many stories of needles and booze bottles being left around places, where these shelters or assistance centers exist. If there was some way, to guarantee, that they would be drug and alcohol free, I don't think any one would take issue with any homeless shelter or assistance.
Is there any realistic way to do a drug test, with results on the spot, as a condition of entry?
Asking, since I believe in the Christian principle that Jesus said (if you do good to those who are most vulnerable, you do on to me as well), but, I positively draw the line if they are drug users or boozers who have no interest in stopping.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Have someone slap you in the face, turn the other cheek.
That was what Jesus said not to judge people and help only those you deem fit
A libertarian that believes in government violence to administer a rehabilitation/ redistribution scheme?
Sorry but you are the extremist
Decriminalize drugs yes , tax non-users to pay for the users, NO
You're all over the place bro! You believe that rehab is more violent than prison? You want to make drugs legal and then give no way for addicts to help themselves. Rehab is voluntary, prison is enforced... and you're already paying for that my friend!
Your position isn't even remotely rational. No, the extremist isn't me, and I'd bet most people in here would agree.
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Originally Posted by lilyflower3191981
huh? I don't know about that.
Alcohol abusers and drug users can be a particularly vulnerable group within the homeless population. What if drug addiction is caused by poor physical health, mental illnesses, trauma, or personal tragedy out of their control?
If you claim that you want to help people, then help everybody. They are already homeless for crying out loud. Now you are going to discriminate against a certain groups of homeless? Doesn't make any sense to me.
I've heard people try to say that both are diseases that cannot be helped, but I'm not sure about that. I know plenty of people who have fallen on seriously hard times, that almost don't do at all or never use period, either drugs or booze. My point, seems to me, that there's got to be some personal responsibility and if you're doing something illegal (drugs anyway) that clouds your mind, even more, than you should suffer, sorry.
I believe in the Christian principle that Jesus said (if you do good to those who are most vulnerable, you do on to me as well), but, I positively draw the line if they are drug users or boozers who have no interest in stopping.
Jesus did not place caveats on doing unto others. I know plenty of people who wouldn't be here without the help of those who believed in them. I also have plenty of friends in graves because they didn't have any help. Now we have an epidemic of parents and grandparents who, no fault of their own, have become addicted to Heroin because some doctor got them hooked on legal opiates.
I'm sorry, but my understanding of what Jesus meant is different than yours. Every life has merit, and is worth saving no matter what their circumstance or addiction.
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I'm a libertarian who believes that there are very few things government can do adequately. I'd much rather see them throwing our money at good causes, than bad ones. The war on drugs is ridiculous. Drug awareness and rehabilitation programs ARE NOT!
