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Old 11-26-2014, 06:06 PM
 
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Gruber lied, so it must be true
Well, Gruber does believe that it will kill employer provided insurance in the long-term by making it not tax-deductible so you have zero-tax advantage employer insurance versus subsidized up to 400% FPL exchange plans.

Assuming that healthcare inflation continues to trend significantly higher than overall inflation (which isn't guaranteed, the trend can't go on forever and anything that can't go on forever won't) and there are no legislative changes in the interim that reduce the subsidies or fix the ticking time bomb set into the "cadillac" tax he's correct. Either of those assumptions might fail to play out though in practice.

It's actually a really clever way to slowly strangle employer coverage to death relatively sight-unseen, before he blew that up by talking about it on camera. How people ever believed the administration when they claimed this wouldn't negatively impact people who already had coverage is beyond me, given that this isn't the only hit to existing coverage in the law (although in the long term it's one of the most dangerous if his assumptions play out).
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Old 11-26-2014, 06:41 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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They also said the illegals will be eligible for Medicare, social security and other benefits.
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Old 11-26-2014, 07:09 PM
 
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Just like NAFTA did when Clinton, Biden etc. all joined in with the Republicans to pass it......and the factories moved south of the border.

Again, I just shake my head when people crow how a republican can't win the presidency anymore.
Sure they can, they just tack a (D) on the end of their name and voila.

Because the nutjob right always wines about Obama....much of the left seems to blind to what he's really done. Oh well, partisan blindness all-around, the usual.
No; in the new change that is toxic as CNN reporters agreed. D is last thing after Obama.Its more likely to be the exact opposite and in fact already started in many regions.
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Old 11-26-2014, 08:06 PM
 
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I don't know. You are quoting a liar. I know you believe every word he says, but don't expect everyone to be as gullible.
What did he lie about? Is this the new talking point?
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It is so funny to read how the conservatives are so unhappy about more federal laws, until they aren't.
No idea what you are talking about..
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Old 11-26-2014, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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They also said the illegals will be eligible for Medicare, social security and other benefits.
No they didn't!
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Old 11-27-2014, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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What did he lie about? Is this the new talking point?
According to his own comments he lied about everything. He has been bragging about it to his students. He added Americans too stupid to see it, and here you are proving his point...
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Old 11-27-2014, 05:43 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Well, Gruber does believe that it will kill employer provided insurance in the long-term by making it not tax-deductible so you have zero-tax advantage employer insurance versus subsidized up to 400% FPL exchange plans.

Assuming that healthcare inflation continues to trend significantly higher than overall inflation (which isn't guaranteed, the trend can't go on forever and anything that can't go on forever won't) and there are no legislative changes in the interim that reduce the subsidies or fix the ticking time bomb set into the "cadillac" tax he's correct. Either of those assumptions might fail to play out though in practice.

It's actually a really clever way to slowly strangle employer coverage to death relatively sight-unseen, before he blew that up by talking about it on camera. How people ever believed the administration when they claimed this wouldn't negatively impact people who already had coverage is beyond me, given that this isn't the only hit to existing coverage in the law (although in the long term it's one of the most dangerous if his assumptions play out).
It's expensive. You may, or may not remember one of the main arguments in 2007 (both partied agreed) was the fact that insurance premiums were raising so fast that soon companies would no longer be able to afford to offer it to the employees. So, there is nothing new there. The conservative argument for single payer system is to point out that under such system the burden of health care would be lifted from the employers making them more competitive.
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Old 11-27-2014, 06:06 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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They also said the illegals will be eligible for Medicare, social security and other benefits.
Here it is: //www.city-data.com/forum/illeg...ve-social.html
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Old 11-27-2014, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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I bet this affects millions of firms. "Checks data."
Dang, I was wrong.

I wish those outraged here were outraged by everything else that affects that many firms. We could power the nation on outrage.
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Old 11-27-2014, 11:34 PM
 
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Didn't you post a part of the law which said they need to be provided insirance if they have the kind of permit they were promised? It's true, which is why this 'incentive' is BS.
Under the law any company that hired them would get fined all the same. Obama exempted them it would seem. He can't legally do that.
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