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Old 12-16-2014, 03:14 PM
 
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It wasn't long ago that politicians proudly claimed to be tough on crime. Think Rudy Guliani! It was such a standard line though, but at least they SAID that they were tough on crime. Now, in 2014 we don't hear much about it at all. The problem is compounded by the media, police, and corrupt judges who turn a blind eye to criminals and then we end up with a violent lawless society. I'd like to see a serious politician (governor, senator, presidential candidate) take a leap of faith and discuss this SERIOUS problem in the US. Has anyone else noticed this disturbing trend?
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Old 12-16-2014, 04:22 PM
 
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The whole tough on crime thing was a farce. Just an election strategy for most.

The results have been mostly disastrous. About all we got out of it was a much larger prison industrial complex.
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Old 12-16-2014, 04:25 PM
 
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The whole tough on crime thing was a farce. Just an election strategy for most.

The results have been mostly disastrous. About all we got out of it was a much larger prison industrial complex.
To what do you attribute the drastic reduction in crime over the last 25 years?
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Old 12-16-2014, 05:51 PM
 
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To what do you attribute the drastic reduction in crime over the last 25 years?
Humans evolving into less violent beings.

Certainly not to politicians threatening the death penalty for shoplifting
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Old 12-16-2014, 06:07 PM
 
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You'd have to define crime. Crimes against the government,as in where there is no victim i.e.prostitution, drug laws etc. are not crimes in my opinion.
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Old 12-16-2014, 06:15 PM
 
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You'd have to define crime. Crimes against the government,as in where there is no victim i.e.prostitution, drug laws etc. are not crimes in my opinion.
Thankfully, your opinion is fallacious. If it's illegal according to a statute be it federal, state, county or municipality it's a punishable crime. But you can vote or work at the grass roots level to change it. That's the rule of law and how the system works.
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Old 12-16-2014, 06:16 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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You'd have to define crime. Crimes against the government,as in where there is no victim i.e.prostitution, drug laws etc. are not crimes in my opinion.
Thankfully, your opinion doesn't hold sway. If it's illegal according to a statute be it federal, state, county or municipality it's a punishable crime. But you can vote or work at the grass roots level to change it. That's the rule of law and how the system was designed.
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Old 12-16-2014, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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It wasn't long ago that politicians proudly claimed to be tough on crime. Think Rudy Guliani! It was such a standard line though, but at least they SAID that they were tough on crime. Now, in 2014 we don't hear much about it at all. The problem is compounded by the media, police, and corrupt judges who turn a blind eye to criminals and then we end up with a violent lawless society. I'd like to see a serious politician (governor, senator, presidential candidate) take a leap of faith and discuss this SERIOUS problem in the US. Has anyone else noticed this disturbing trend?
Tough on crime gets useless politicians elected. It does nothing to reduce crime.
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Old 12-16-2014, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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You'd have to define crime. Crimes against the government,as in where there is no victim i.e.prostitution, drug laws etc. are not crimes in my opinion.
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Old 12-16-2014, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Thankfully, your opinion doesn't hold sway. If it's illegal according to a statute be it federal, state, county or municipality it's a punishable crime. But you can vote or work at the grass roots level to change it. That's the rule of law and how the system was designed.
Jury nullification is our best weapon. I can assure you if I'm on a jury where somebody is accused of drug use, gambling, prostitution or any other life choice "crime", I will vote not guilty.
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