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You are confused. That is the attitude of everyone who is getting their employer subsidized health insurance.
COBRA give you an idea of the REAL cost of insurance, which those of us without employer-based insurance had to pay pre-ACA. Those who have employer health insurance have never paid their "fair share," and yet still have that "F you, I got mine," attitude to everyone else. I see that exact sentiment from people like you here on C-D on a regular basis.
Explain to me how the non employer based segment of society, which I fall into, subsidizes the employer based society.
I'm really anxious to hear how they take my money so i can stop it...
Really? He was under his wife's insurance for the last 22 years, during which his back problems began. Do you think any insurance company pre-ACA would have insured him once she lost her job and insurance?
I don't need "talking points," when I can look around me and see real live people who have been helped immensely by the ACA, myself included. You only need "talking points" when you have nothing else.
Yet you disregard all those it has harmed.
We see your "talking points" showing.
Really? He was under his wife's insurance for the last 22 years, during which his back problems began. Do you think any insurance company pre-ACA would have insured him once she lost her job and insurance?
Are you saying now that ACA has passed, she is unemployable?
Employer: I have a job for you. It is worth $100,000 a year. So, your pay will be $88,000 a year, and you will get health insurance to go along with your job. The two equal $100,000 a year.
What part of that do you not comprehend?
What part of "you are not paying the full cost of your insurance" don't you get? That's the argument I hear all the time, that I am a leech who is not "paying my fair share" because I don't pay the full cost of my insurance. What I am attempting to point out is that you who receive employer based insurance aren't paying for the actual cost of your insurance, either, and never have.
Those of us who are self-employed/independent contractors (and there are more and more of us as time goes on and corporations attempt to bolster their bottom lines by cutting costly employee benefits) have no access to such subsidies from our employers, and thus, the cost was completely out of our reach. (See COBRA rates for an idea of what we were facing.) Which is why the ACA was necessary.
If the GOP had put forth some kind of bill that would have given people without employer based insurance a way to buy in I would have been all for that, as well, but they didn't have any interest in that, so the ACA is what we got.
I get it, you don't care about anybody else because you have an employer to subsidize your insurance costs. At lease be honest about that.
As if 535 creeps could know what is best for over 300 million.
Exactly!
535 turds floating in the human toilet we call Washington, D.C.
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You especially like it when government declares what is best for all without the input from "all', and then uses extortion to go about getting it. Then builds elaborate lies claiming it is urgent and the best thing for people it considers to stupid to make their won decisions.
Falls right into your political advocacy.
Posters like florida.boob don't stop to think about the fact that, despite Obama's lies to the contrary, the 300+ million citizens were the ONLY group not represented at the table during the closed-door, "transparent" Obamacare scam hearings. When your group is not invited to sit at the table, chances are your group is the one that's going to get f**ked. It's really that simple.
If Obamacare really was so great, would it really require an individual mandate? A penalty? Sky-high deductibles and OOP expenses to make the premiums seem reasonable? Lies about a dead mother to push it through? A BILLION DOLLAR website that still is as reliable as an 1987 Hyundai Excel? Ads paid for by taxpayer dollars featuring PajamaBoy? A heavily Botoxed Nancy Pelosi saying "we must pass it find out what's in it?"
The non-sycophants know the answer to these questions. The sycophants are blinded by the sleight of hand, suckered in by a shell game that never ends.
What part of "you are not paying the full cost of your insurance" don't you get? That's the argument I hear all the time, that I am a leech who is not "paying my fair share" because I don't pay the full cost of my insurance. What I am attempting to point out is that you who receive employer based insurance aren't paying for the actual cost of your insurance, either, and never have.
Those of us who are self-employed/independent contractors (and there are more and more of us as time goes on and corporations attempt to bolster their bottom lines by cutting costly employee benefits) have no access to such subsidies from our employers, and thus, the cost was completely out of our reach. (See COBRA rates for an idea of what we were facing.) Which is why the ACA was necessary.
If the GOP had put forth some kind of bill that would have given people without employer based insurance a way to buy in I would have been all for that, as well, but they didn't have any interest in that, so the ACA is what we got.
I get it, you don't care about anybody else because you have an employer to subsidize your insurance costs. At lease be honest about that.
no one said the employee is paying the full cost of the insurance Everyone knows the employer is picking up the balance..
Thats far different than your argument which is the taxpayer is paying for it..
You are precisely who I'm talking about. Your politics won't allow you to see or admit the truth of how many people it's helped.
You're denying it hurts everyone else.
It is not the government's business to hurt people.
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Everyone knows the employer is picking up the balance.. 
