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Old 01-26-2015, 07:46 AM
 
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In the year 2015 maybe about 25% of all jobs pay at a rate that allows full time workers to get government benefits. Even if the current people who are working in these jobs get training and move out of the low wage workplace someone else will take their place. So the argument that low wage workers just need to get more skills and education to move up does not really help the situation. Face it, no matter who is working in these jobs at any time, a large number of jobs in America pay under $10 an hour. And these are the jobs that are growing in today's economy. If you want a job, these are the jobs the typical American can get. And they are not jobs for kids and senior citizens anymore. Lots of the folks working at McDonalds are bring up a family on that job's income.

So, who should pay for the government benefits for the 25% of households whose primary bread winner is making $8 an hour or less than $20K a year?

Is it the responsibility of the employers of low wage labor? Or every taxpayer? Or should we just eliminate things like Food Stamps, reduced lunches at school, Medicaid, government paid housing, etc. for people who work?

Remember, someone is going to be doing these low wage jobs regardless of the hopes and dreams of people in them today.
I see, so if you are thinking to hire someone who has kids, or hiring them would mean they were the only working parent in the family - don't, because you'll be punished if the family is on Food Stamps.

Is it now the employer's problem that a job opening they have is for low skill, low wage?

What if the reason jobs pay less is due to government? What if it's government rules, laws, policies or taxes which drive down wages and kill jobs?
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Old 01-26-2015, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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If only we eliminated welfare, those poors would get off their lazy butts and fill all those open jobs companies are dying to hire for!
Eliminate Government welfare, not private charity.

Yes, those that can work would. Hunger is a powerful motivator. Those that cannot due to health, etc, could be cared for by private charity.

BTW, are you aware that not every problem in society has to be addressed by more government?
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Old 01-26-2015, 11:35 AM
 
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Eliminate Government welfare, not private charity.

Yes, those that can work would. Hunger is a powerful motivator. Those that cannot due to health, etc, could be cared for by private charity.

BTW, are you aware that not every problem in society has to be addressed by more government?
Did I suggest solving every problem with government, or just certain ones that aren't addressed by the private sector?

Private charity is nowhere close to filling this need. And the majority of people on government welfare are already not working because of health, etc. They don't get enough support from private charity now, why would this suddenly change if government welfare went away?

And what unfilled jobs do you imagine these people would take, if only they weren't on welfare? Are you aware that we currently have a job shortage, not a labor shortage?
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Old 01-26-2015, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Did I suggest solving every problem with government, or just certain ones that aren't addressed by the private sector?

Private charity is nowhere close to filling this need. And the majority of people on government welfare are already not working because of health, etc. They don't get enough support from private charity now, why would this suddenly change if government welfare went away?

And what unfilled jobs do you imagine these people would take, if only they weren't on welfare? Are you aware that we currently have a job shortage, not a labor shortage?
Actually no. We have a labor shortage, not a job shortage. There are millions of jobs waiting for workers.
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Old 01-27-2015, 07:30 AM
 
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Actually no. We have a labor shortage, not a job shortage. There are millions of jobs waiting for workers.
There are tens of millions of workers waiting for jobs. I think you're mistaking liquidity in the job market for a shortage.
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Old 01-27-2015, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Eliminate Government welfare, not private charity.

Yes, those that can work would. Hunger is a powerful motivator. Those that cannot due to health, etc, could be cared for by private charity.
Yes, because private charity is working so well now. *sarcasm*

What you're forgetting is that if someone is working a minimum wage job, they are probably paying their entire month's salary on rent. Hunger as a motivator does nothing if a person is working and can't afford to buy food. Again, look at the numbers of seniors and military people who have to be on food stamps. The seniors, most of them, have worked their entire lives and the military people are already working.
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