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Old 01-20-2015, 07:23 AM
 
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What has Germany / Nazi Germany and the Holocaust have to do with Christianity?! Millions of Christians got killed during the holocaust, more so than Jews. Hitler himself rejected religion later in life.
This is being told.........Commonsense & Wonder: In a recent article titled “Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim,” the Wall Street Journal draws our attention to two books that reflect the historical Nazi-Islamic supremacist axis.
‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.
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Old 01-20-2015, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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If this was really your issue you would have addressed nxplorer, so you only have issues with someone who can present a reason for a verse and not 1 verse at a time.

So you and nxplorer speak your minds and I am preaching......... childish!
I have no idea what any of your post means.
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Old 01-21-2015, 11:24 AM
 
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I have no idea what any of your post means.
ADHD......read nxplorer's posts, I was answering him! Yet, you ONLY responded to my rebuttal.
Waste of time......
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Old 01-21-2015, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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What has Germany / Nazi Germany and the Holocaust have to do with Christianity?! Millions of Christians got killed during the holocaust, more so than Jews. Hitler himself rejected religion later in life.
Germany was and remains a majority Christian country. The population was none too fond of Jews prior to Hitler. He targeted Christian youth and promised them more opportunities than they would have had, otherwise. otherwise. Most members of the Nazi Party were Christians.

70 million Christian Germans somehow rationalized the execution of millions of Jews, disabled and homosexuals, regardless of geography/ethnicity. No one living in Germany, at the time, could claim they did not know.

Hitler's true agenda eventually became apparent over time; the transformation into a single-minded national state. He turned on Christians as he had done the Jews.

Seems to me there are many similarities between the Holocaust and Terrorists. Both used/use religion as a tool to achieve their goals. They both recruit/recruited youth and offer/offered better wages, opportunities to advance, women than otherwise available.

Both had/have more to do with an intent to transform attitudes and values into a single-minded obedient national state than a religious dogma.
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Old 01-21-2015, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Seems to me there are many similarities between the Holocaust and Terrorists. Both used/use religion as a tool to achieve their goals. They both recruit/recruited youth and offer/offered better wages, opportunities to advance, women than otherwise available.

Both had/have more to do with an intent to transform attitudes and values into a single-minded obedient national state than a religious dogma.
I dunno, I think most jihadis, especially the foot soldiers, really are religiously motivated. As for hitler, I do my best to stay out of his head, so I really don't have an opinion as to whether he was genuinely religious!

Either way, you are right that the end goal is a unitary state with an obedient populace. N korea being a good example of the desired end result...
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Old 01-21-2015, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I dunno, I think most jihadis, especially the foot soldiers, really are religiously motivated. As for hitler, I do my best to stay out of his head, so I really don't have an opinion as to whether he was genuinely religious!

Either way, you are right that the end goal is a unitary state with an obedient populace. N korea being a good example of the desired end result...
Hitler was raised Catholic but there is no evidence he practiced any religion as an adult.

Most Nazis were Christians and despised Jews. Hitler recruited youth to execute his plan. Your son used to attend mass on Sunday. Now he tags Jews. If he tags enough Jews he will be promoted and will execute Jews. It was mania, not religion.

Same deal going on now with terrorists. Religion is a tool, the rational, the excuse for barbarism.
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Old 01-21-2015, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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ADHD......read nxplorer's posts, I was answering him! Yet, you ONLY responded to my rebuttal.
Waste of time......
Get some help.
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Old 01-22-2015, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I have no idea what any of your post means.
The use of religion to achieve political goals which had/ have nothing to do with religion and all to do with creating a submissive national state.
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Old 01-22-2015, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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The use of religion to achieve political goals which had/ have nothing to do with religion and all to do with creating a submissive national state.
Of course. I hate to see what happens when the food shortages really start to hit.
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Old 01-23-2015, 04:45 AM
 
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Of course. I hate to see what happens when the food shortages really start to hit.
Millions of obese Americans will finally lose some weight
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