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Old 07-06-2015, 02:14 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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@InformedConsent

What i dispute is your justification of supporting a corrupt, greedy system based on the fact that a small group gets postive benefits from it.

But then scream about the morality of those on welfare.

 
Old 07-06-2015, 02:19 PM
 
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There is the truth... in a nutshell! Those who say it can't are making excuses why THEY can't. I've seen folks on hubbies crew making 30.00 an hour turn down overtime and the time and 1/2. They turn down double time holiday pay because, "they don't want to." Or worse yet... they work it and then **** it away come payday on booze and whatever other vice they desire. And then they gripe and complain about how they can't have what we have. Which isn't much....but it's enough that were comfortable. And these people are not poor. They make good money. The family wouldn't qualify for assistance of any kind. It's a mindset for many folks. These people will be "poor" forever not because of circumstance or upbringing but because of their attitude and excuses more than anything.
Yup. My husband works in an industry that is physically grueling, and has crappy hours. Every once in awhile his coworkers complain that he makes so much more money than they do. He reminds them that he heads out on his route earlier, stays longer, and works harder than they do. Because they've always got something better to do, or they're tired or hot. In the next breath they usually complain that they can't afford to buy a house, or go on vacation.

Does he have to work that hard? No. But he chooses to, because we have a retirement plan that was derailed by the housing bubble and a career change. For the record, we both grew up poor, but never used that as an excuse to make things happen.
 
Old 07-06-2015, 02:24 PM
 
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He choose to go into his own business that is his choice that is different not everyone wants to spend every waking hour working they want to actually have a life. If a employer helps you buld your business and you give them the least you can yeah that is selfish.
Good lord - do you hear yourselves? This is exactly the point. HE chose to live that life, and is reaping the rewards. Others choose not to "because they want a life". Fine, but when the rubber meets the road, those that "want a life" ALSO demand that they have the same rewards as that hard worker.

It doesn't work that way. And if socialists keep insisting that it should, pretty soon those hard workers will say the heck with it, and just stop supporting those that "want a life".
 
Old 07-06-2015, 02:25 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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If that's how you see it what is stopping you from building your own business and then paying what you want? Is part of the reason because you don't know how? And then you want to tell the guy who did what to do? What service or products can you offer that people want and are willing to pay for Storm Eagle?

Funny how the people who think they know it all can't even take care of themselves with a tax payer funded handout.
You actually need money to start a business and have a really good business plans in many cases find a building to have your business in. Most new businesses fail but I am sure you do not know that since you seem to think it is easy to start a succesfull business and obviously know nothing about business.
 
Old 07-06-2015, 02:28 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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@InformedConsent

What i dispute is your justification of supporting a corrupt, greedy system based on the fact that a small group gets postive benefits from it.
HALF of us is NOT a small group.

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But then scream about the morality of those on welfare.
I'm not screaming about them. I'm merely saying that many of them are poor because they've made bad life and financial decisions. And study after study has borne that out to be true.
 
Old 07-06-2015, 02:28 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Good lord - do you hear yourselves? This is exactly the point. HE chose to live that life, and is reaping the rewards. Others choose not to "because they want a life". Fine, but when the rubber meets the road, those that "want a life" ALSO demand that they have the same rewards as that hard worker.

It doesn't work that way. And if socialists keep insisting that it should, pretty soon those hard workers will say the heck with it, and just stop supporting those that "want a life".
No one is saying they should have the same rewards as the hard worker they just want enough to live on not the sae thing but you seem to not being able to seperate the two.
 
Old 07-06-2015, 02:29 PM
 
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You actually need money to start a business and have a really good business plans in many cases find a building to have your business in. Most new businesses fail but I am sure you do not know that since you seem to think it is easy to start a succesfull business and obviously know nothing about business.
Not necessarily. Again, lots of people slowly build businesses. But if you are sure you will fail, you WILL fail.

I'm loving all these socialist posters calling hard working, "you need to take personal responsibility" folks stupid. And their own posts are full of typos, misspellings and horrible grammar. I'm not picking on you - just all the posts that tend to lean in one direction seem to have the worst examples.
 
Old 07-06-2015, 02:29 PM
 
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Read freemkt's dilemma.
freemkt has skills, they were computer programming a decade ago, at a time when I was homeless. Now I'm retired while they are still struggling because they choose to work for minimum wage.
 
Old 07-06-2015, 02:31 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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HALF of us is NOT a small group.

I'm not screaming about them. I'm merely saying that many of them are poor because they've made bad life and financial decisions. And study after study has borne that out to be true.
In the total system of stocks yes the half of us is a small minority, thats my point rainman
 
Old 07-06-2015, 02:32 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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That's your first mistake... thinking you are entitled to a job.

You have to offer a skills a company is willing to pay for and your skills determine your pay... like it or not.
So they are not entitled to a job then they can stay home get benefits oh wait you will whine and complain if they do that to. You can not have it both ways say you are not entitled to a job then complain about people that do not work it is called being a hypocrite.
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