Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Johnson signed the bill, Kennedy called for it......
Kennedy could've NEVER gotten the civil rights bill signed. He didn't have the gravitas to do it. LBJ did the legwork himself as president to whip the Congress into shape to get behind the bill. He didn't leave it to his underlings. He made the individual phone calls, and did the vote counting.
LBJ is probably the most talented legislator (not president) of the last century. His understanding of the body politic is second to none.
Of course Johnson had motive. That's why he worked with Momo Giancana to make it happen. Johnson was despicable and his fellow dems did everything they could to stop the Civil Rights act from passing. Some of you obaggers need to get your heads out of the sand and see the dems (and yourselves, for the matter) for what the dems truly are.
He sent us to Vietnam...Kennedy didn't want us to go, and fought it, and the corporations had way to much money to lose, I think it was 3 days after Johnson was sworn in, we went to Vietnam...he signed the bill to go.
Kennedy could've NEVER gotten the civil rights bill signed. He didn't have the gravitas to do it. LBJ did the legwork himself as president to whip the Congress into shape to get behind the bill. He didn't leave it to his underlings. He made the individual phone calls, and did the vote counting.
LBJ is probably the most talented legislator (not president) of the last century. His understanding of the body politic is second to none.
you are wrong, read up on it.....Kennedy did the leg work for it and called for it in his speeches, Johnson did sign the bill for it, however, he took credit for it to....
Kennedy could've NEVER gotten the civil rights bill signed. He didn't have the gravitas to do it. LBJ did the legwork himself as president to whip the Congress into shape to get behind the bill. He didn't leave it to his underlings. He made the individual phone calls, and did the vote counting.
LBJ is probably the most talented legislator (not president) of the last century. His understanding of the body politic is second to none.
LBJ had overwhelming majorities in both houses of Congress, something Kennedy never had. More than any President since FDR's first two terms, Johnson was effectively an imperial President who could do as he pleased.
That he chose to champion long-overdue legislation on Civil Rights and initiate programs to address poverty is to his great credit. That he tried to engage in an unwinnable land war in Asia (after hypocritically criticizing his opponent, Goldwater, for being a warmonger) which cost countless scores of American and Vietnamese lives and burdened the country with deficits for a generation, and divided our people to an extent that we have not yet overcome, is to his shame.
We are just beginning to establish what the historical verdict will be.
He had every motive, he was working with the Corporations that had way to much money to lose by not going to Vietnam.
Bobby Kenney was investigating him for his brothers murder, then walla, Bobby was murdered......
Again, Kennedy WANTED deeper involvement in Vietnam. He's the one that had their president murdered in order to pave the way. LBJ never even knew about the operation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed from California
Of course Johnson had motive. That's why he worked with Momo Giancana to make it happen. Johnson was despicable and his fellow dems did everything they could to stop the Civil Rights act from passing. Some of you obaggers need to get your heads out of the sand and see the dems (and yourselves, for the matter) for what the dems truly are.
Momo Giancana would've been nothing more than a cog in the wheel, and even the Mafia isn't stupid enough to kill a sitting president. Hell, they killed Dutch Schultz just for the high crime of WANTING to kill Thomas Dewey when Dewey was nothing more than a prosecutor.
Going after a sitting president? The Mob might act in ways to facilitate such an event, but direct involvement? Hell no. They aren't that stupid.
The only government agency with enough motive to do something like that is the CIA because of their bitterness over Bay Of Pigs.
For The Great Society and civil rights, he was a great president, his problem was Nam and the increasing presence until the Bulk on Tonkin Resolution declared war and escalated troop presence. They went from advisors to action troops. Had it not been for Nam, LBJ would have been a president that we praised for his programs and ideals. Sadly Nam was his anchor dragging him down.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
