Technique to deal with Climate Deniers and other obtuse people (death, education)

[B87]

It's all good until you get to question 7. Water vapour is by far the most dominant greenhouse gas.

[Delahanty]

"Climate deniers" ()...oooohhh...scary.

[Goinback2011]

The Global Warming Cult needs to be deprogrammed.

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by B87

It's all good until you get to question 7. Water vapour is by far the most dominant greenhouse gas.

CO2 causes more heat, and more heat causes more water vapor....It's called a feedback effect....Another difference....Water vapor does not last long in the atmosphere, sometimes only hours.....CO2 can last several thousand years. The life of other greenhouse gasses like methane (12 years), nitrous oxide (114 years), and halocarbons (Some halocarbons last many thousands of years).

Water vapour is a very effective absorber of heat energy in the air, but it does not accumulate in the atmosphere in the same way as the other greenhouse gases. This is down to it having a very short atmospheric lifetime, of the order of hours to days, because it is rapidly removed as rain and snow. The amount of water vapour that the atmosphere can hold increases as the atmosphere gets warmer, so the greenhouse properties of water vapour are usually considered to act as part of a feedback loop, rather than a direct cause of climate change. How long do greenhouse gases stay in the air? | Environment | The Guardian

[rbohm]

Originally Posted by spankys bbq

Stay on topic with carefully crafted questions and refuse the other person the ability to debate. Sounds like a good way to have a one-sided conversation.

thats what the warmers want, no debate.

Originally Posted by sanspeur

Here we have the first deflection... Instead of answering the questions find fault with the way they are asked....Why don't you answer the questions?

why dont you want a real debate? why is it that unless evidence supports your position, it isnt peer reviewed, or its a blog, or a news article, or the guy doesnt have the "proper" credentials? the fact fo the matter is that you dont want a proper debate. you would rather keep moving the goal posts around until everyone just decides to give up and capitulate to your way of thinking regardless of whether you are right or not.

[Frank DeForrest]

Climate denier- an individual who refuses to acknowledge the changing of climate regardless of any manmade contribution.

[Spatula City]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

CO2 causes more heat, and more heat causes more water vapor....It's called a feedback effect....Another difference....Water vapor does not last long in the atmosphere, sometimes only hours.....CO2 can last several thousand years. The life of other greenhouse gasses like methane (12 years), nitrous oxide (114 years), and halocarbons (Some halocarbons last many thousands of years).

Water vapour is a very effective absorber of heat energy in the air, but it does not accumulate in the atmosphere in the same way as the other greenhouse gases. This is down to it having a very short atmospheric lifetime, of the order of hours to days, because it is rapidly removed as rain and snow. The amount of water vapour that the atmosphere can hold increases as the atmosphere gets warmer, so the greenhouse properties of water vapour are usually considered to act as part of a feedback loop, rather than a direct cause of climate change. How long do greenhouse gases stay in the air? | Environment | The Guardian

The real problem is that when you say this stuff, it just goes over their heads... so they tune out, and start talking about Obama, Al Gore and the conspiracy to take over the world with a carbon tax. Then they make all kinds of ridiculous assertions about 'science'.

[rbohm]

Originally Posted by Spatula City

The real problem is that when you say this stuff, it just goes over their heads... so they tune out, and start talking about Obama, Al Gore and the conspiracy to take over the world with a carbon tax. Then they make all kinds of ridiculous assertions about 'science'.

well considering that is what the alarmists want, carbon taxes and other regulations, it just makes sense to talk about the end result of these so called reports of man made global warming.

[Roadking2003]

Originally Posted by spankys bbq

Stay on topic with carefully crafted questions and refuse the other person the ability to debate. Sounds like a good way to have a one-sided conversation.

Exactly.

These AGW alarmists will not stop at anything to defend their predetermined position. They even destroy data, fudge data and create false data. So a one sided debate is nothing new to them.

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by rbohm

thats what the warmers want, no debate.



why dont you want a real debate? why is it that unless evidence supports your position, it isnt peer reviewed, or its a blog, or a news article, or the guy doesnt have the "proper" credentials? the fact fo the matter is that you dont want a proper debate. you would rather keep moving the goal posts around until everyone just decides to give up and capitulate to your way of thinking regardless of whether you are right or not.

It would be a real debate if deniers produced real evidence from real scientists....Have you not noticed that I always back up my statements with real evidence when asked, and deniers rarely do....Here is your chance to show some real evidence that refutes AGW, then we can have a real debate, until then AGW deniers are just blowing smoke. I do not debate smoke.